Friday, November 29, 2013
fight
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=184626
Another thing: the vote is on basing the highest pay not being 12 times more than the lowest (not 1200).
Anyways the real class struggle is always amongst the lower classes, between the poor and the relatively poorer people, the real class struggle is between middle class and poor and so on, always between the lower classes anyways. The rich don't fight the poor directly, that don't have to, they already all won.
So you have the middle class home owner that wants to rent a house and asks for 1,000 dollars a month rent from the poor low wage slob, so the fight is between the middle class home renter and the poor slob that has to give his entire paycheck to rent and so on.
It is set up so weak people fight between themselves, it is a fight between have and have nots, and now the middle class home owner may need that rent money because he is now unemployed and so on.
A constant struggle and fight, all against all, all fighting an imaginary resource scarcity war when there are no resource scarcities, only an old fashion idea of still having to work when work is no longer needed.
who cares about the rich ?
Re: Swiss vote on limiting top pay to 1200 times that of low
by nameta9 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:54 am
First off, I can't stand this moralistic stance,
this "punish the rich" morality and idea, this idiotic envy based, " oh
I am poor and I want the rich to make less money" crappy BS idea!
Totally wrong approach, totally wrong from every point of view, serves just to distract, confuse and fool the losers and poorer people: what they should enforce is a maximum amount of money the basics should cost compared to the minimum wage: this would really get something done, not the envy, "oh the rich boss makes so much" BS that serves to make people fight each other over totally insignificant things in the larger scheme of things.
So given a minimum wage of say 500 dollars worldwide, a rent for a decent home (3 bedroom + kitchen and well built and in a good area!) shall not be priced more than 100 dollars a month, health care should not be priced more than 50 dollars a month for all possible needs and so forth, really kick them all where it really hurts, in home prices, real estate prices, rents and health care prices, and so on, running water, electricity and transportation shall not be priced more than 50 dollars a month, a complete meal 3 times a day shall not be pirced more than 50 dollars a month and so on.
This would be much more important than the idiotic, stupid, envy based idea of limiting how much the bosses or rich make, what a bunch of crap! And in fact who proposes this wants to protect the status quo, wants to make the poor feel as if they are actually getting something in return when in all truth they are getting nothing, being fooled and all the basics cost way past their minimum salary worldwide and so forth.
What should be stated and believed in is very simple: the rich, the bosses, the capitalists, the corrupt, the lucky or whatever or who even cares! can make as much as they want, can make trillions (which they will continue to make anyways, there are millions of ways to gain that cash "not paid in salary" anyways, to hide it, to get money in stealth mode and so on) as long as the minimum wage allows the poor loser making it to rent a home and buy all the basics without running out of money.
How it stands today is that just a rent of a one room crap house costs more than 500 dollars a month worldwide, anywhere on earth, the minimum wage finishes the first day of the month when you pay rent, this is what is really a scandal and really important to stress, but people are all just to stupid to see this, they prefer being envious and fighting the rich making so much.
And then who cares, an economy and peoples should be free to pay whoever they want as much as they want, this is totally irrelevant, if person A feels that person B must be paid a billion dollars a year, who cares, who are you to poke your nose into it ? mind your own business!
TARDHEAD
Totally wrong approach, totally wrong from every point of view, serves just to distract, confuse and fool the losers and poorer people: what they should enforce is a maximum amount of money the basics should cost compared to the minimum wage: this would really get something done, not the envy, "oh the rich boss makes so much" BS that serves to make people fight each other over totally insignificant things in the larger scheme of things.
So given a minimum wage of say 500 dollars worldwide, a rent for a decent home (3 bedroom + kitchen and well built and in a good area!) shall not be priced more than 100 dollars a month, health care should not be priced more than 50 dollars a month for all possible needs and so forth, really kick them all where it really hurts, in home prices, real estate prices, rents and health care prices, and so on, running water, electricity and transportation shall not be priced more than 50 dollars a month, a complete meal 3 times a day shall not be pirced more than 50 dollars a month and so on.
This would be much more important than the idiotic, stupid, envy based idea of limiting how much the bosses or rich make, what a bunch of crap! And in fact who proposes this wants to protect the status quo, wants to make the poor feel as if they are actually getting something in return when in all truth they are getting nothing, being fooled and all the basics cost way past their minimum salary worldwide and so forth.
What should be stated and believed in is very simple: the rich, the bosses, the capitalists, the corrupt, the lucky or whatever or who even cares! can make as much as they want, can make trillions (which they will continue to make anyways, there are millions of ways to gain that cash "not paid in salary" anyways, to hide it, to get money in stealth mode and so on) as long as the minimum wage allows the poor loser making it to rent a home and buy all the basics without running out of money.
How it stands today is that just a rent of a one room crap house costs more than 500 dollars a month worldwide, anywhere on earth, the minimum wage finishes the first day of the month when you pay rent, this is what is really a scandal and really important to stress, but people are all just to stupid to see this, they prefer being envious and fighting the rich making so much.
And then who cares, an economy and peoples should be free to pay whoever they want as much as they want, this is totally irrelevant, if person A feels that person B must be paid a billion dollars a year, who cares, who are you to poke your nose into it ? mind your own business!
TARDHEAD
- nameta9
- Philosopher
- Posts: 1837
- Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:42 am
Thursday, November 28, 2013
The Teddy Boy
Re: Stone Chrome Video
by nameta9 » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:39 pm
CALLING ALL ARTISTS! CALLING ALL ARTISTS! Make
those drawings, make them wild and incredible, make those diagrams and
pictures and drawings of the internals of New Mind Systems and Brain
Structures as incredible and fantastic as possible, use your imagination
and fantasy as much as possible, make it run wild, the sky is the
limit, you can do it man, just do it, don't be afraid to become a little
baby again and have fun, imagine how incredible those new mind circuits
can be, so many new symbols and diagrams and ideas, a never ending
array of new ideas and you can imagine a never ending array of new
Lives, Universes, Experience Sets and Universes with completely
different and wild new laws and non laws of physics...
THE TEDDY BOY
THE TEDDY BOY
- nameta9
- Philosopher
- Posts: 1835
- Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:42 am
Stone Chrome Video
Stone Chrome Video
by nameta9 » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:29 pm
Stone Chrome Video
So science has nothing new or better to offer anymore, we have exhausted this universe, this mode of being, we must now start designing new experiences from the inside out, from the crux of the Observing and Experiencing Contraption, the Brain System, new Mind Machines, New Information Machines processing Matter Interactions between themselves, talking to themselves and so forth.
So write that book with thousands of pages of extremely intricate circuit designs having so many cool new components, transistors having thousands of legs, hypertransistors with spiritual soul functions incorporated, so many new symbols and designs and patterns, so many new signals, intricate and incredible, mysterious, never ending schematics associated to incredible Mind and Universe Machines, generating new universes and experiences, very complex, and a design of on the page of the book means another design elsewhere and so forth forever, designs of designs, recursive designs of circuits, with so many incredible devices interacting, creating worlds and lives and experiences and so forth.
Stone Chrome Video
So science has nothing new or better to offer anymore, we have exhausted this universe, this mode of being, we must now start designing new experiences from the inside out, from the crux of the Observing and Experiencing Contraption, the Brain System, new Mind Machines, New Information Machines processing Matter Interactions between themselves, talking to themselves and so forth.
So write that book with thousands of pages of extremely intricate circuit designs having so many cool new components, transistors having thousands of legs, hypertransistors with spiritual soul functions incorporated, so many new symbols and designs and patterns, so many new signals, intricate and incredible, mysterious, never ending schematics associated to incredible Mind and Universe Machines, generating new universes and experiences, very complex, and a design of on the page of the book means another design elsewhere and so forth forever, designs of designs, recursive designs of circuits, with so many incredible devices interacting, creating worlds and lives and experiences and so forth.
Stone Chrome Video
Thursday, November 14, 2013
CUSTOM MACHINE
CUSTOM MACHINE
Ah. come on, say something cool like I do all you fools out there ...
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M Custom Maniac VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy........tardy boy .......tardy head File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head
TARDY HEAD
TARDY BOY
.. TEDDY BOY ...
Ah. come on, say something cool like I do all you fools out there ...
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M Custom Maniac VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy........tardy boy .......tardy head File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head
TARDY HEAD
TARDY BOY
.. TEDDY BOY ...
We Are Black Holes ...
by nameta9 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:10 pm
ICONOCLAST
From:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=184281
We are the way the universe overcomes the "Laws of Physics": we are the points of the universe where it relinquishes the Iron Fist Prison of the Laws of Physics, we are the singularities, the black holes, the volumes of Space and Time where these concepts and all other logical concepts are no longer valid. Our simple random choices and free will, what we do moment by moment follows no laws except random laws we decide to make exist at the moment for any or no reasons at all, we are actually the points where "Free Physics" can actually instantiate itself, we are where all kinds of random, quirky, illogical and senseless "cause and effects" can be invented for obscure, intractable personal reasons or models or ideas a civilization, the human race self programs itself to have and so forth.
I decided to write these symbols on this page: what logic could have ever predicted this, what equations, who could have guessed it ? and what other new sequence of symbols will be written where and for what reason any place in the universe ? and so forth and so on.
And so it is with all the actions and reactions, the interlocking interactions humans have between themselves, all the fights, thoughts, struggles, wars (who could have predicted, in that exact moment and place the explosion of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima if an alien race where looking at the planet from far away and noticing this effect ? how could they ever know why or how ? and so forth).
So if just one human, one Man Brain one person is a point of space time where physics is no longer valid thanks to that person's free will, then imagine hundreds or billions of people interacting, the laws of physics are no longer operating at all if only as a background, a stage upon which the real events which are all arbitrary and random and a fluke are taking place, and where all the real events, exactly because they pertain to humans and the effect they have on their pain/pleasure circuits, the only ones that really define reality occur.
So being that the "Economy" is based on these "elementary particles" which follow no Laws of Physics, nothing can really ever be said about it, it is totally unpredictable, outside of the sphere of science, any science.
But then again, the laws of physics break down as soon as you try to predict the motion of three interacting particles, the three body problem has no solution, so the universe and reality is essentially lawless, has no laws, only some vague laws that we use to format reality according to our mental models, so that we can use it to speak to ourselves essentially, it is all a game of dependent and independent parts, surprises, and control, logical segments flung upon the world, but imagine how many new logical segments can be flung upon all you see, all that exists, according to all kinds of paths and according to all kinds of observers, the tree is an observer and the logical segment is a car tire to interact with a sun and so forth.
TARDHEAD 8
That was from :
http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/
88 j89
From:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=184281
We are the way the universe overcomes the "Laws of Physics": we are the points of the universe where it relinquishes the Iron Fist Prison of the Laws of Physics, we are the singularities, the black holes, the volumes of Space and Time where these concepts and all other logical concepts are no longer valid. Our simple random choices and free will, what we do moment by moment follows no laws except random laws we decide to make exist at the moment for any or no reasons at all, we are actually the points where "Free Physics" can actually instantiate itself, we are where all kinds of random, quirky, illogical and senseless "cause and effects" can be invented for obscure, intractable personal reasons or models or ideas a civilization, the human race self programs itself to have and so forth.
I decided to write these symbols on this page: what logic could have ever predicted this, what equations, who could have guessed it ? and what other new sequence of symbols will be written where and for what reason any place in the universe ? and so forth and so on.
And so it is with all the actions and reactions, the interlocking interactions humans have between themselves, all the fights, thoughts, struggles, wars (who could have predicted, in that exact moment and place the explosion of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima if an alien race where looking at the planet from far away and noticing this effect ? how could they ever know why or how ? and so forth).
So if just one human, one Man Brain one person is a point of space time where physics is no longer valid thanks to that person's free will, then imagine hundreds or billions of people interacting, the laws of physics are no longer operating at all if only as a background, a stage upon which the real events which are all arbitrary and random and a fluke are taking place, and where all the real events, exactly because they pertain to humans and the effect they have on their pain/pleasure circuits, the only ones that really define reality occur.
So being that the "Economy" is based on these "elementary particles" which follow no Laws of Physics, nothing can really ever be said about it, it is totally unpredictable, outside of the sphere of science, any science.
But then again, the laws of physics break down as soon as you try to predict the motion of three interacting particles, the three body problem has no solution, so the universe and reality is essentially lawless, has no laws, only some vague laws that we use to format reality according to our mental models, so that we can use it to speak to ourselves essentially, it is all a game of dependent and independent parts, surprises, and control, logical segments flung upon the world, but imagine how many new logical segments can be flung upon all you see, all that exists, according to all kinds of paths and according to all kinds of observers, the tree is an observer and the logical segment is a car tire to interact with a sun and so forth.
TARDHEAD 8
That was from :
http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/
88 j89
- nameta9
- Philosopher
- Posts: 1833
- Joined: Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:42 am
Re: We Are Black Holes ...
by nameta9 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:07 pm
CUSTOM MACHINE
Ah. come on, say something cool like I do all you fools out there ...
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M Custom Maniac VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE
P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE
P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head
TARDY HEAD
TARDY BOY
.. TEDDY BOY ...
Ah. come on, say something cool like I do all you fools out there ...
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M Custom Maniac VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE
P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE
P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head
TARDY HEAD
TARDY BOY
.. TEDDY BOY ...
Re: Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!
by wendy52 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:03 pm nameta9 wrote:Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!
We are all just a moment away from Total Oblivion, just a heart beat away from disappearing forever and for good instantaneously - by stroke, heart attack, earthquake, sudden death, etc. So now what happens to our huge, elaborate, completely totalizing and saturating mental construction of the world ? ... of all the rules, logic, the memories, the entire structure of the universe we have created in our mind to navigate it, a complex incredible structure made up of rules, and thought paths, laws learned, patterns recognized, all of the repetitive patterns discovered and translated and formatted into laws of physics, laws of living and behavior, social conventions and so forth and so on constructed during a lifetime lasting decades ? ...
It all disappears in a jiffy, all the laws where worthless, you disappeared instantly anyways, the repetitive patterns we have so much faith in were useless, the logic and rules false, irrelevant, fake, made up, a bluff, a deception. And so it is with all of our memories and rules and the entire constructions of our mind, all of our memories are a liability as much as they are an asset in that they condition us into believing too much in them, the memories and knowledge condition us to falsify constantly and continuously reality, in order to make it abide and converge to our models and expectations, that we think are so solid and real and confirmed: nothing further from the truth, they are zero, nothing.
This is because a Mind Brain is simply a processor that adapts its neural networks and rules according to the inputs it receives and creates a complete set of laws, it completely self programs itself according to a program imposed by nature, reality and itself and so forth. But there is really nothing behind it:
Just because we are used to seeing things evolve and slowly develop, a story line makes us think reality is more than a simple instantaneous input, reaction, output, a point like event disconnected from all past, future present and space, a nothing that exists for a moment that tends to last zero, a sequence of zero time duration moments and pictures creating a fake story and so on.
But you can imagine a universe, a processor, a mind, a modified mind that is instantaneously programmed with all of the memories and a given life story and that mind thinks it existed for a long time when in all truth it was assigned instantly, and so it is with all reality, Matter self defines itself in a moment, creates an entire universe from zero and then makes itself think that it evolved and had a story line. And so forth and all of the combinations in between, a universe of constantly changing instantaneous Information Relationships reciprocally defining themselves and creating reality and then disappearing, every moment a new universe, a new big bang, watch out for the next moment, you may disappear.
And so all laws and logic are a never ending deception and illusion that works for just some time and then is useless and worthless for eternity and so forth. Of course all contradictions accepted and are operating as usual.
CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M File Transfer Protocol CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M
CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M Spider Queen CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M
CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M File Transfer Protocol CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M Spider Queen CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M
CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M
Sound = combustion
Combustion = sound breaking
Sound breaks and falls into itself, disappearing.
The Universe = disappearance
Sound left light = disappeared
Sound disappears
What is left.......light
or
Sound = combustion
Combustion = self consuming
Self consuming = sound disappearing
Sound disappearing = disappearance = smaller and smaller as it disappears
Particle = on a journey into disappearance, not death, not organic
Human being = non particle we are not "self consumed" - we do not disappear, we die
Scientist = illogical idiot who never looked to see, tried to cause us to be consumed
- wendy52
- Posts: 50
- Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:05 am
Re: Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!
by Silhouette » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:36 pm
This is just one of many well-established arguments against Modernism.
Objective and/or universal and/or eternal "truth" is nothing more than a consensus of subjective attempts to make sense of experience. Yes, it is subjective and not objective, yes it is individual and not universal, and yes it is changing/inconstant and not eternal.
It's just something that works, which is all science and logic have ever been good for, but it is all they need to be good for.
Existentialism has already covered this, and Post-Modernism has taken it to some philosophically important limits.
Modernist truth is no longer the question, except to naive and philosophically stunted minds. Truth is just an option, which many still take, and it has its uses. The fact that it's merely a subjective truth that it's subjective truth afterall just sounds like an objective truth to their subjective minds.
Objective and/or universal and/or eternal "truth" is nothing more than a consensus of subjective attempts to make sense of experience. Yes, it is subjective and not objective, yes it is individual and not universal, and yes it is changing/inconstant and not eternal.
It's just something that works, which is all science and logic have ever been good for, but it is all they need to be good for.
Existentialism has already covered this, and Post-Modernism has taken it to some philosophically important limits.
Modernist truth is no longer the question, except to naive and philosophically stunted minds. Truth is just an option, which many still take, and it has its uses. The fact that it's merely a subjective truth that it's subjective truth afterall just sounds like an objective truth to their subjective minds.
~So sayeth your benevolent sovereign lord~
-
Silhouette - Philosopher
- Posts: 2904
- Joined: Tue May 20, 2003 2:27 am
- Location: Existence
Re: Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!
by Mowk » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:40 pm
All that has been debunked is self. :shrug: bravo
- Mowk
- Thinker
- Posts: 509
- Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:17 pm
Re: Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!
by nameta9 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:06 pm
CUSTOM MACHINE
Ah. come on, say something cool like I do all you fools out there ...
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M Custom Maniac VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE
P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE
P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head
TARDY HEAD
TARDY BOY
.. TEDDY BOY ...
Ah. come on, say something cool like I do all you fools out there ...
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/MVMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M Custom Maniac VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M
VMS CP/M VMS VMS CP/M P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE
P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head File Transfer Protocol VMS CP Custom Maniac .... CUSTOM MACHINE
P/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CPP/M File Transfer Protocol VMS CP We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boys, CP/M
CP/M CP/MCP/MCP/M CP/MCP/MCP/MCP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M CP/M We are the Teddy Boys, Teddy Boy....
....tardy boy .......tardy head
TARDY HEAD
TARDY BOY
.. TEDDY BOY ...
debt fairy tale
Re: Government is not Economy
by nameta9 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:20 am
"notice how nobody even touches the issue of the national debt? That is because there is no intent to pay it back."
There is no "debt", only excess capacity, fee wealth, extra cash, extra money that the Technological Economy generates automatically: if it weren't so then the debt could have never been created in the first place, the debt really means excess cash that a few have and can loan it out to others and since the system generates so much extra cash automatically without any "work" to back it up, since it isn't work that must back it up, (by the way, "work" has absolutely nothing to do with how the economy really operates) since there is no longer any relationship of wealth to work since decades, since the wealth - money - extra cash is only a proxy of how much extra real wealth the system generates by using huge economies of scale, huge expenditure of energy, huge networks of transportation, electricity, communications, automation, technology and so forth.
It is all a wrong psychology game expecting the economies to grow and ever more work to be generated in order to pay back the debts, but the economies not only can't grow with this old "work for it" mentality, the technological economy does away with jobs as a side effect, and while it does away with jobs it keeps on increasing the real wealth of societies that are being concentrated ever more so in the same hands .
And in fact don't you notice that no one is asking for the money back anyways, this is because they don't really need the money, the money accumulated and then handed out to others in the form of debt was and is free cash and doesn't have to never be paid back since it makes no difference, it would be paid back mostly to super rich who could care less for that money, they don't need it and don't even know they have it, it is irrelevant for them, hence the debts can keep on increasing forever.
The psychological mistake and the hidden manipulating agenda all the economists and powers that be pratice is that to make you believe that the debt - wealth - money is real, can "run out", there is ony so much available, "you must work for it", "you must deserve it", someone is acting badly, someone is morally accountable and everyone loves this morality police, this blaming someone else on how bad they are and how much debt they generated on how they don't deserve it: but this just helps to confuse people, confuse their ideas, mix it all up with emotionality, blame, morality, "money will run out"; there is only so much and it will all run out, the resource scarcity myths and so forth: nothing further from the truth, we have loads of real wealth available, enough to give it all out for free to all, and the Technological Economy will keep on generating loads of more forever, the debts are just a joke on you and everyone else, to play morality, blame games and make you all fight each other in vain.
And in truth it is all a fight to redistribute an ever increasing stack of money differently, everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie, it is just a fighting game that has no need or necessity to exists, only a stone age mentality that can't come to grips with what the economy is now today under the powers of technology.
Free wealth and cash just doesn't seem to make sense to a civilization that has always lived dirt poor until technology kicked in: we are just in inertia mode, not knowing what the truth is, always believing in 18th century models that are now obsolete, none of it is operating anymore ("hard work", "deserve it", "things run out" and so forth, all false - obsolete concepts).
tardyhead
There is no "debt", only excess capacity, fee wealth, extra cash, extra money that the Technological Economy generates automatically: if it weren't so then the debt could have never been created in the first place, the debt really means excess cash that a few have and can loan it out to others and since the system generates so much extra cash automatically without any "work" to back it up, since it isn't work that must back it up, (by the way, "work" has absolutely nothing to do with how the economy really operates) since there is no longer any relationship of wealth to work since decades, since the wealth - money - extra cash is only a proxy of how much extra real wealth the system generates by using huge economies of scale, huge expenditure of energy, huge networks of transportation, electricity, communications, automation, technology and so forth.
It is all a wrong psychology game expecting the economies to grow and ever more work to be generated in order to pay back the debts, but the economies not only can't grow with this old "work for it" mentality, the technological economy does away with jobs as a side effect, and while it does away with jobs it keeps on increasing the real wealth of societies that are being concentrated ever more so in the same hands .
And in fact don't you notice that no one is asking for the money back anyways, this is because they don't really need the money, the money accumulated and then handed out to others in the form of debt was and is free cash and doesn't have to never be paid back since it makes no difference, it would be paid back mostly to super rich who could care less for that money, they don't need it and don't even know they have it, it is irrelevant for them, hence the debts can keep on increasing forever.
The psychological mistake and the hidden manipulating agenda all the economists and powers that be pratice is that to make you believe that the debt - wealth - money is real, can "run out", there is ony so much available, "you must work for it", "you must deserve it", someone is acting badly, someone is morally accountable and everyone loves this morality police, this blaming someone else on how bad they are and how much debt they generated on how they don't deserve it: but this just helps to confuse people, confuse their ideas, mix it all up with emotionality, blame, morality, "money will run out"; there is only so much and it will all run out, the resource scarcity myths and so forth: nothing further from the truth, we have loads of real wealth available, enough to give it all out for free to all, and the Technological Economy will keep on generating loads of more forever, the debts are just a joke on you and everyone else, to play morality, blame games and make you all fight each other in vain.
And in truth it is all a fight to redistribute an ever increasing stack of money differently, everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie, it is just a fighting game that has no need or necessity to exists, only a stone age mentality that can't come to grips with what the economy is now today under the powers of technology.
Free wealth and cash just doesn't seem to make sense to a civilization that has always lived dirt poor until technology kicked in: we are just in inertia mode, not knowing what the truth is, always believing in 18th century models that are now obsolete, none of it is operating anymore ("hard work", "deserve it", "things run out" and so forth, all false - obsolete concepts).
tardyhead
Re: Government is not Economy
by creative » Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:24 am
The issue with government spending is, as we
have learned over the past two decades, is that there are really no
controls to stop unlimited spending thus bankrupting nations. We have
already seen how governments have bankrupt Greece, Italy, Spain,
Ireland, Iceland, etc. The flow of money goes to the ultra-rich (the top
10%) while the burden of paying debts falls in the laps of those who
have jobs or businesses and are forced to shoulder more or more of the
debt burden.
For all intent and purposes, the U.S. and Europe is bankrupt but is kept afloat by the the Central banks who keep printing money (devaluing paper currency and savings) in order to pay for increasing debt. The net flow of money is to the top 1% who basically control the governments and create the laws that insure their ever increasing share of all wealth. The top 1% in the U.S. now own about 40% of the wealth which is the greatest concentration of wealth in history. Ironically, the greatest boon to the top 1% in the U.S. has been the exorbitant government spending which has been for the most part a boon for the ultra-wealthy who net the most.
For all intent and purposes, the U.S. and Europe is bankrupt but is kept afloat by the the Central banks who keep printing money (devaluing paper currency and savings) in order to pay for increasing debt. The net flow of money is to the top 1% who basically control the governments and create the laws that insure their ever increasing share of all wealth. The top 1% in the U.S. now own about 40% of the wealth which is the greatest concentration of wealth in history. Ironically, the greatest boon to the top 1% in the U.S. has been the exorbitant government spending which has been for the most part a boon for the ultra-wealthy who net the most.
- creative
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:03 pm
Re: Government is not Economy
by insightfoul » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:54 am
Exactly, there is no moral accountability in this democratically corrupted society.
So the morally corrupt essentially can bankrupt the nation, pull everything down with it, and then blame the opposing party when the time comes. Notice how nobody even touches the issue of the national debt? That is because there is no intent to pay it back. Because this national debt is a benefit for the government. What does the government care, if the whole population owes this pile of many? It's not the politicians who owe paying back the debt. It's the weakest members of society, the poor, the sick, the middle class, the workers. The debt will rain down on the have nots.
The middle class will be destroyed. And the government offers no salvation. Because the government compounds the underlying problem, which is, debt.
The government only offers salvation,
to elect itself into power,
using broken promises,
to further enslave the masses.
So the morally corrupt essentially can bankrupt the nation, pull everything down with it, and then blame the opposing party when the time comes. Notice how nobody even touches the issue of the national debt? That is because there is no intent to pay it back. Because this national debt is a benefit for the government. What does the government care, if the whole population owes this pile of many? It's not the politicians who owe paying back the debt. It's the weakest members of society, the poor, the sick, the middle class, the workers. The debt will rain down on the have nots.
The middle class will be destroyed. And the government offers no salvation. Because the government compounds the underlying problem, which is, debt.
The government only offers salvation,
to elect itself into power,
using broken promises,
to further enslave the masses.
Tuesday, November 12, 2013
Information Relationships
Re: Explaining Electromagnetic Fields in Terms of Relativity
by nameta9 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:47 pm
"What does this tell us about space? Our
preconceptions about the notion of 'space' are wrong; there are no
locations, only relations. What is space then? There is no grid of
space, no coordinate plane; there is no real "distance" between things."
This was starting to get good, then you took the wrong road. this is the beginning of the concept of Information Relationship, this concept has been bugging me for quite a while, I can't decompose it into something smaller or clearer, no reductionism here operating: a relationship is exactly what ? an interaction ? a point like interaction with no space or time involved ? an event ? an elementary particle of the Principle of Non Contradiction and Identity ? a bit ? Information as such has no "size", no extension in space, it has no "time", it is essentially out of time, out of any reference, it needs two to dance, it self defines itself reciprocally with another bit of information, but then you need a processor, a mind, a large ensemble to decode the bit, the simple monolithic slab of pure Information Relationships and assign them, connect them to interactions, to events that may then extend in space and time, but reductionism in this case reduces the atoms of existence to pure nothings, having no space and time and only existing the moment an observer - processor beholds such entities.
Information Relationships cannot be decomposed into something clearer, it will forever be undefined, irreducible complexity, it cannot be made up of smaller pieces, it is either all or nothing, without space or time or size and in fact this is what makes it so powerful, just like mathematics and the imagination, you can invent worlds infinitely more incredible and complex of what is available using simple logic and simple space and time: the square root of a negative number, the square root of space or time, concepts that have no sense but can be created with information alone, and so forth and so on, if 0 is time and 1 is space what is 43 or -6ty ? yes you can force incredible inventions that tease logic, use some logic and then use their impossibility to be clear and defined..
And I can go on forever trying to understand "Information Relationships" the basic "Interaction", the basic "Event" of existence...
tard
.
This was starting to get good, then you took the wrong road. this is the beginning of the concept of Information Relationship, this concept has been bugging me for quite a while, I can't decompose it into something smaller or clearer, no reductionism here operating: a relationship is exactly what ? an interaction ? a point like interaction with no space or time involved ? an event ? an elementary particle of the Principle of Non Contradiction and Identity ? a bit ? Information as such has no "size", no extension in space, it has no "time", it is essentially out of time, out of any reference, it needs two to dance, it self defines itself reciprocally with another bit of information, but then you need a processor, a mind, a large ensemble to decode the bit, the simple monolithic slab of pure Information Relationships and assign them, connect them to interactions, to events that may then extend in space and time, but reductionism in this case reduces the atoms of existence to pure nothings, having no space and time and only existing the moment an observer - processor beholds such entities.
Information Relationships cannot be decomposed into something clearer, it will forever be undefined, irreducible complexity, it cannot be made up of smaller pieces, it is either all or nothing, without space or time or size and in fact this is what makes it so powerful, just like mathematics and the imagination, you can invent worlds infinitely more incredible and complex of what is available using simple logic and simple space and time: the square root of a negative number, the square root of space or time, concepts that have no sense but can be created with information alone, and so forth and so on, if 0 is time and 1 is space what is 43 or -6ty ? yes you can force incredible inventions that tease logic, use some logic and then use their impossibility to be clear and defined..
And I can go on forever trying to understand "Information Relationships" the basic "Interaction", the basic "Event" of existence...
tard
.
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)