Instant Singularity 3

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:43 pm

Another system can be by the designing of a spectrogram, drawing, designing a graph of a spectrum of an imaginary piece of music, and inventing how the graph changes in time and converting it to a piece of sound - music.

You could draw an entire landscape of all the valleys and mountains corresponding to the intensities of the frequencies and harmonics and how they change in time and then convert it back to sound, another form of image to sound generator, another way to actually draw music, to paint it by using the fourier series, the fourier transform of sound, by creating an imaginary fourier series, an imaginary series of sine and cosine values with intensities and how they vary in time and creating a spectrogram, a spectrograph, a sonogram of the sound and inverting it directly back to sound again, through software and machines, whatever...

the ape thing

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:36 am

Reality, deeper than Reality...

From:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=185037

So if 40,000 numbers create a second of sound, how many numbers are needed to create all possible sounds that nature can generate ? the collision of items of nature, of chunks of Matter, the interaction between chunks of matter can create maybe a billion different sounds, maybe a trillion (so maybe the first 15 numbers of the sound wave (or 15 numbers of the sound wave signal separated by some minimum time span), of the waveform are enough to encompass all possible natural sounds, but anyways), but we can simply assign a larger number just to be sure: so all possible naturally occuring sounds created in the universe in any time point of the past, present or future by any means may be maybe 10^100 (that means a number having 100 zeros, a pretty big number) but if the code composed of 100 numbers represents a signature of something reality can produce, matter can produce, it is still a very small number of combinations compared to one second of sound made up of 40,000 numbers: so that means the random combination of maybe 15 numbers of the sound wave contains many (if not the majority of the combinations, for sure) sounds that do not and cannot occur naturally in nature by any means: but the fact that we can simply assign the combination and play it back means we created a new sound that nature could never have created! And this also explains why when really trying to create a wav file of music through random numbers or any combination of numbers, very seldom do we hear anything of interest to us: that is natural, we evolved in such a way that only the signature sounds that nature can really produce have become significant to us, we have neural networks that have evolved expectations of sounds, combinations that represent a signature of something, etc. while all those other combinations of numbers represent nothing intelligible to us, (let alone harmony, etc.).

BUt the fact that we can invent new sounds, hence new signals and waveforms, means we can invent new perceptions of reality if we modify the perceiving neural networks to create meaning for them, etc. It means we can extend reality mathematically, we can extend Matter and Reality and Perceptions and Possible Experiences mathematically, as in Mathematically Enhanced Music. But just as we can extend the sense of sound, we can do the same for other senses and actually create new senses and so forth through modified brains and so forth. So the real elementary particles of reality are the numbers, the sequence of numbers represented by the waveforms of music and sound not atoms or elementary particles, and we can also invert the system and make the sense of touch be decoded through the sense of sound creating new touch perceptions, and the sense of sight decoded through the sense of sound by decoding sight as a signal like sound and music creating new images that reality could never have created and so forth, we actually create reality deeper than reality, we actually use the real and true elementary particles of existence and Reality and Matter which is the signal, the Information Relationship, the sequence of numbers converted from digital to analog that create reality, a super reality as a superset of the small subset of reality that natural evolution created for us, but we use this little - poor reality as a launching pad to explore deeper realities made up of a much larger space of combinations of possibilities, etc.

Matter and Touch and Sight is overrated compared to sound, sound can give us much more insights into the functioning of brains and Artificial Reality, and we can convert sound into touch and sight and also the other way around as images and touch are also signals, waveforms and as computers teach, all items are simply digital files, delimited entities of numbers, and so forth, the sky is the limit!

This could be a clarification on the concept of Information Relationship: as actually what I am getting at is really signals, waveforms, waveforms decoded by an observer, etc. And in fact the sequence of numbers corresponding to the waveforms is much more fundamental to reality than Matter itself, or Elementary Particles or Atoms in as much that the signals, the waveforms create the Information, the event, the perception and hence the reality in a much depper meaning and form than atoms or matter: and in fact particles, as in physics, elementary particles are overrated compared to the true fundament of all reality which is Signals, Events, Information, Waveforms perceived and decoded by a Processor - Observer, etc.

ted

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:59 pm

from:

http://board.soundclick.com/viewtopic.php?t=407034

Let's put this thing upon two feet:

So if music is a sequence of numbers, the numbers being about 40,000 a second, so you need about 2 million numbers for a minute of music, the numbers being sampled to then recreate an analog waveform, the digital to analog conversion of the numbers create an analog waveform that is then decoded and perceived by the brain as sound and music, the brain probably does signal processing on this waveform, breaking it down into its fourier transform components and such, etc. then in theory you could simply compose a piece of music by writing down a sequence of 2 million numbers, or you could directly draw the waveform that is then played: of course the waveform would be very long as you would need 40,000 distinct amplitudes (signal levels) to create the waveform of the sound - music.

You could morph one waveform of one track into another, or play the intermediate track, you could do all kinds of tricks on the waveforms to create new music, you could even write down the sequence of numbers, or create programs that write down the numbers of a piece of music, who knows, the sky is the limit! you could draw the waveform of the music and the composer becomes simply a drawer, a graphic artist, etc.

Of course things are more complicated than this in the sense that the waveform that corresponds to harmony and something musical for us is very particular, most experiments won't yield much, but it is worth trying and discovering millions of new pieces of music like this.

This is the real future of music, finally free from any and all constraints, especially cultural, human and biased constraints, now the music is really free, absolutely free, we have won, the concept has been created, now go for it man, go man go!, and start composing like this man, do it man, first gear, its all right, second gear hold on tight, third gear, you're out of sight!!!

groovy man groovy,

the turd

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:13 pm

nameta9 wrote:The Event Set

In the beginning there was solid entities..
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But since we can design any kinds of events and Event Set

Therein lay the fantasy.

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:27 am

Future of Music - 2

You can also just take 10 time slots of only 10 albums and superimpose them, let them play all at the same time, let them play in parallel: you can also get 10 billion possible new tracks or albums this way. What is important is that you don't try to recognize or follow any single line from any given album, actually, it would be better if you didn't know any of the albums at all and you couldn't distinguish any of the lines playing in parallel. In this way you can appreciate the sound just as it is, you can appreciate the resulting "composition", the result as an experiment in music, etc.

Of course these are all variable numbers, the mashup, the mix, the superimposing of tracks could be from 2 albums or a trillion albums (the same ones played from diffeent points in time of the albums), they could be intermittent (some albums or tracks on and off, etc.), the combinations are really never ending, etc.

Another way to create new tracks is to create 10 sets of 10 random notes, each set played at a different speed (like amygdala of henry cow) : even in this case you can create 10 billion tracks: of course the notes could be cords, mellotron sounds, or whatever, the speeds whatever, the number of notes whatever and so forth, again these are all variable numbers.

A program idea that corresponds to this is the following maybe:

in perl, $s is the note (you can see it graphically from DOS or UNIX command line), $c and $y the random formula or whatever, $x hoe to change the speed of execution, etc.

$s="*************************************************************************
$c=1.00007333;
$t=1000000;

for(0..17){
$c=$c-0.00000170;
$y=$c;
for(0..7){
$y=$y**3;
$x=substr($y,9,2);
print$x."\n";
print substr($s,0,$x)."\n";
for($j=0;$j<$t;$j++){};
}
$t=1000000;
if($x>50&&$x<80) { $t=5000000}
if($x<50) { $t=7000000}
if($x<25) { $t=2000000}
if($x>85) { $t=13000000}
print$x."==".$t."==\n";
}
exit;

$nn=0;

for(0..100)
{
for($i=0;$i<10;$i++)
{$x[$i]=new number;}

$t=new delay;

for($i=0;$i<10;$i++)

{ print $x[$i],' ';
for($j=0;$j<$t;$j++){};
}

And then you can have image to sound converters, pictures to tracks converters, converting a picture to a track of music digitally (and the opposite) etc. And maybe you can one day have the possibility to compose a track by directly designing the waveform of the music (but most attempts don't give anything interesting), after all a track is just a sequence of numbers in time, so one minute of music may be 10 million bytes or so): a track is just a file, a digital entity, and the computer sees everything as a digital entity and can convert anything into anything, can convert them and manipulate them all in any way and mix them and process them all in any way, etc.

check out:

www.soundclick.com forums,

http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/

http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:42 pm

The Future of Music

So I was bored and started to play different tracks in parallel, I started to superimpose different albums, songs, pieces of music on top of each other, and started superimposing 4 or 5 different tracks, sometimes related, sometimes not as a type of music goes. I used soundclick and youtube choosing random music pieces (but mostly techno, electronic, noise and some fusion jazz aka soft machine or whatever) and enjoyed the mashup, the mixed up music, some of it was really interesting and new sounding!

So consider that there are maybe 5 million albums of different music out there, but just consider 100 albums (sometimes if they are very different from each other the results may be even more intriguing) and divide them up into 10 batches of ten different albums: that would make 10 billion different combinations of 10 different albums superimposed on top of each other, of ten different albums played in parallel at the same time. SO you could record 10 billion new records, 10 billion new albums!

Of course you can tweak alot with this idea and perfect it, experiment all you want, but even if only 1 out of 10,000 experiments is really good, you still got a million new interesting albums out there, brand new!

The fact is there is so much music available on youtube or soundclick or soundcloud or purevolume etc. that you no longer need to create the basis of the music, just mix what is out there differently (like DJ), the sky is the limit: this is probably the future of alot of new music, the mixing creates combinations and ideas that you would never have imagined or composed or thought up.

SO do it man, just do it, experiment and publish all those new albums, the wilder they sound the better, go man go, first gear its all right, second gear hold on tight, third gear you're out of sight...

the turd

shapc a lak, shpack , i win, like a cry baby i win always, shpavck a lack cinderella crazy, barbie confused, yellow funk machine... we all live in the ...

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:54 pm

The Event Set

In the beginning there was solid entities, no movements, only blocks of solid state or void or atoms fixed in stable positions, etc. No movements, no events (although there are always some events occuring since absolute zero can never be achieved and photons constantly interact with atoms and virtual particles of the quantum void constantly pop up out of nowhere, etc.). But the random events of particles colliding, of atoms colliding of different temperature ranges creating all kinds of aggregations, sets and delimitations of Matter in the universe from hot stellar plasmas at the center of stars to completely still - static and frozen planets far from stars create an Event and eventually Event Sets, repetitive events occuring creating repetitive patterns, formatting of reality, the frequency modulation of matter upon itself and the frequency modulation of a frequency modulation creating ever more repetitive structures creating all kinds of Event Sets defined by the point like events occuring within a cube of Matter and how they self organize themselves etc.

And within this delimited area of any size, the events create regularity, create molecules, temporary machine like entities (like biological machines and molecules and reactions within cells, etc.): but any Event Set may be imposed, invented, evolved or whatever upon any delimited cube of Matter and hence, when any kind of Observer - Processor entity emerges from a given Event Set, that Observer may experience and "live within" any kind of possible universe (from the observer's point of view, since there is in fact no universe at all, only the Event Set a Processor is trapped within and interacting within) having any kinds of regularities, interaction sets, information relationship sets, etc.

So Events create reality, only things happening, only recording of the history of things occuring and repeating create reality, and in fact we are all based on time slots, frequencies, the Human Machine is based on the frequency of heart beats, computers have a clock cycle, something must be constantly interacting, colliding, measuring, something must be constantly happening to be "alive" so to say, there is no reality outside events, only a skeleton of modes of interactions that will be generated as with molecules in living items, the reactions all occuring in parallel and synchronized and the information flows amongst these molecules and electrical signals in Man Brains decoding the world according to the arbitrary Event Set this brain is trapped within, etc.

But since we can design any kinds of events and Event Set, any kind of Processor can be trapped within it and live any kind of life, experience and universe. The Event Set defines both the Universe and the Processor observing that universe.

The Processor can create any elaborate and complex circuit defining the meaning of events, how they relate to its rules and memories and feelings and sense organs, how the interfaced machine to said processor interacts with the outside reality through other events, hence a set of events etc.

We can also invert it all, all upside down, the event sets can become solids and the atoms all events, for example, just like music can define a solid reality and the brain become a sound wave and so forth : interesting how music explicitly makes us aware of the events occuring, how real it seems, since it is all frequencies and things constantly changing, all modulations and interlocking and snychronized frquencies, relationships, just like computers executing programs are all interlocking and frequencies of bits flowing in a repetitive pattern with decision points, etc.

The events create the world, Matter, Reality, the Universe: create a new set of events, interlocking and synchronized events occuring in the most variable way, in the most random point in time and space and with repetitive patterns and regularities of all kinds and you can create the Universe with the most incredible possible experiences and lives occuring...wildy new Laws of Physics, etc.

tard

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:28 am

Beware, No One Notices...

The years from 2001 to now can be divided into two segments: from 2001 to 2007 about, the twin towers attacks, terrorism, airplane security and especially the wars in Irak and Afganistan were the FOCUS of news, politics, debates, movements, etc. And then, all of a sudden, the Economic crisis of 2007 - 2008 and the continuous recession or low economic growth period (especially of the EU, but also the USA)dominated all the news and focus and erased the focus from terrorism and Irak.

It is as if there was an intentionality to take the focus off 2 lost and blunder wars, Irak and Afganistan and focus the worldwide public opinion on something else, and what better else could that be than economic problems ?

And in fact what will take the focus off this now 7 years long economic crisis can only be another powerful terrorist attack against the USA or EU, so beware, Al Qaeda or whatever they are may be preparing some big show, sometime in the near future: and then it is only a question of probability, after so many years with no big attack to the west, they probably are preparing something and this will end all the focus on the economy.

What is really mind boggling is how fast Irak went off the radar, how fast everyone forgot about that total s*ithole and failed state and civil war and how the war against the dictator was probably a bad idea and badly executed and so forth. From 2002 to 2006 the total focus was all on Irak and the war and Bushes "if your not part of the solution you are part of the problem" and so forth. And then after the 2008 crisis everyone simply completely forgot about it and talked about the economy, the tea party, occupy wall street, the EU debt crisis and so forth.

So strange, maybe there was a definite conspiracy and plan to let the economic crisis explode exactly in the year 2007 - 8 to make everyone forgot about the twin towers and the Irak war and terrorism and such. A planned economic crisis by some "powers that be" ? ....

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:58 am

nameta9 wrote:

James S Saint wrote:The actual first principle(s) never change and never will.

There are an infinite number of First Principles and No First principles at the same time.

What "first principle" specified that conclusion?
Whatever it was, it was false.
Why do you think that first principles are infinite in number?

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:19 pm

James S Saint wrote:The actual first principle(s) never change and never will.

There are an infinite number of First Principles and No First principles at the same time. It depends on the "Event Set" the Observer is living in: our Man Brain and consequently our civilization has mostly expired the possible Event Set we can interact through, as the models of the world, the knowledge, the theory and the intentionality of use we perform depends on the accumulation of events, experiences, interactions, a fixed set of repetitive interactions and patterns crystallized in our mind and behavior and reinforced through social consensus based in the many multiplying instances of similar Man brains confirming themselves and talking to themselves essentially even though they have the illusion of talking to other separate and different man brains (people talking to each other are really simply talking to themselves and one format of the world through one fixed example of a Man Brain).

Now a solid is a set of particles where nothing is happening, you need an event, energy, you need them to move around and collide with each other, you need interactions to then create events and then memorize the events and order them logically according to any models the man brain is designed to decode. But you need temperature, an energy, something moving compared to everything frozen, etc. That is why we explore higher and higher energies in particle physics, to discover new events, interactions, new possible patterns and so forth, the beam of energy as the temperature set creating new events, else all would be frozen and not produce any interactions.

But our Event Set is now mostly expired, known, most patterns decoded, and in fact science has to reach out to farther and farther limbos to try to discover new things, high energy beams, black holes, extreme low temperatures, all things at the limits and so forth, remote, complex, not everyday things. Because our event set is expired: but event sets are arbitrary, events and interactions can be any at all, can be organized in any way at all, any event can be designed, is a decision point, any ordering of arbitrary events in Processors, new minds can generate new First Principles and worlds, hence events, interactions as point like signals and their accumulation construct the world, but can construct any arbitrary world according to what events and signals are chosen, how the Processor decodes them and interacts and what the new Event Set is: since these can be any at all, an infinite amount of new Event Sets meaning interaction sets, experience sets, and hence Universe with New Laws of Physics, etc.

the tard

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:43 pm

Confusion on Progress...

Be careful when talking about and considering the ideas such as "We are going forward", "science is progressing", "we are increasing our knowledge", "technology is going forward", etc.

This should all be broken down into three fundamental segments:

1) New First Principles, new fundamental discoveries, new fundamental ideas, new "Paradigm changes" and these are those great fundamental discoveries and experiments and formulas that changed the way the world is and how we apply our knowledge to it such as Newton and Calculus and Mechanics, Maxwell's equations and Electromagnetism, The theory of Evolution, and Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, DNA and Genetic Engeneering and many other real fundamental discoveries (oil discovered and applied), theories and ideas that become solid First Principles;

2) New Applications of first principles and new applications of technological discoveries: new first principles often imply new applications and new possibilities, new technologies, etc such as the Steam Engine and the railroad, Electricity and all of what can be done with electricity, the Engine, Automobiles, Airplanes, Jet Planes, Atomic Energy and Atom Bombs, Computers and then Microprocessors and then Personal Computers and then the Internet, reinforced concrete and skyscrapers and elevators etc .

3) The multiplication of instances, examples of production of items that then become standard but are just variations on a theme: so you have a billion cars produced in the 20th century and they differ by design and incremental perfections of parts of it, suspension systems, engines, consumption, speed, etc, but in the end they are all just the constant multiplication of new examples of a fundamental old Application that appeared a hundred years ago: and so it is with airplanes then jets then rockets, and so it is with telephones and computers etc.

A 150 years ago buildings having more than 4 floors where rare: but with reinforced concrete and then elevators the world has become full of skyscrapers and multifloored buildings of all kinds, from 5 floors to 100 floors etc, but this is an example of constantly applying the same application over and over again as a variation on a theme, same with computers and smartphones: they just contain a telephone and camera in one box, but the telephone and camera are all old applications now, etc.

The hardest area to discern between applications and principles is biology - medicine - drugs: this area is both applications of knowledge and sometimes first principles at the same time, but often hard to judge and each patient has a different reaction and so forth: health care and medicine is a great arena for all of those who want to make believe they made great new discoveries, very hard to distinguish, hard to verify and so forth (that is why drugs have hundreds of counter problems and companies want to protect themselves, all drugs seem to be risky and can cause death) this is because medicine, biology, health care is not an exact science in many cases.

Music also had all of its first principles established in the last 400 years: Music is a science in that it is a manipulation of undetermined entities, of undefined entities according to patterns imposed, it is a manipulation of an abstract world (and newly designed minds could invert this and make solid reality manipulable like music and music become a solid reality, but this only with incredible new minds that work differently), it is a manipulation of reality according to technologies etc.

But just as the electric guitar produced an incredible new quantity of new music from 1950 on, the mellotron and computer music did not have the same effect, but in any case it is all electronics applied to music.

So most people think that new examples of old things, new instances of old things are progress, are a sign of science going forward. It is not, it is a sign of production, industrial production and the never ending production of new examples of mostly old items that increases, nothing fundamentally new. 20 new car models that will come out in the next few years and millions of new cars produced, 10 new smartphone examples in the next few years, 10 new techno bands or heavy metal bands that will appear in the next few years, 10 new skyscrapers and a 100 new 5 or 6 floor buildings that will appear in the next few years: so yes the application of old principles can increase forever, the combinations of how to design old applications is never ending, but nothing really game changing or new is being created, nothing that can really surprise you.

So the future of science is mostly 1) very few really new First Principles can be discovered, most have been made, maybe a handful are left, 2) a few new applications like something as new as the PC was and the Internet was when it came out, or the railroad, or car or jet, even here I can't imagine many 3) a never ending amount of "new" applications in the form of new instances of old applications, thousands of new car designs, buildings, rockets, drugs and medicine and body enhancers and what not, but these are all multiplying the number of old stabilized items, not really new items and not really meaning that "we are going forward", nay, this is the arena of political fights that will increase since everyone wants to apply the stabilized technology in one way or another (solar or nuclear ?) etc.

This also implies a decrease in the amount of work needed: a building needs a certain number of workers and once built can last a 100 years, a car needs a certain number of workers but lasts 10 years, a smartphone can be eventually produced by an automatic factory and may need very few workers, so we end up needing less and less work also. A building or car has many other subsystems needed, the car an engine, a window, a seat, etc. but a smartphone has only a few Integrated circuits, end of story, hence very little work needed or generated to produce the item. And we are going towards a world where people buy ever more smartphones and fewer homes and cars (because they have less money).

And then we will start to manipulate the Mind Brain and the world will never be the same again, the Instant Singularities, new universes, the last and greatest discovery is the end of all reality and discovery and the entrance into a trillion new worlds where yes, there will be trillions of new First Principles and applications beyond anything you can behold...

turd

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:15 am

nameta9 wrote:Now science is at the end of the road

..has only begun.

hey "saint" ---
Explain.

Will we discover something as big as electricity again ? will we discover something as game changing as Quantum Mechanics ? Relativity ? Maxwells Equations ? and all of the technology ? jet planes, atomic energy, microprocessors, space flight ? etc. etc.

Maybe you believe in Nanotechnology and tiny machines building up the world ? or maybe genetic engineering applications ? Quantum Computers running an infinite number of instructions per second creating reality deeper than reality ? Fusion Energy creating infinite energy from water and air ?

Are we at the beginning of "applications" (at which point my modified minds could be an application of science and hence I can agree that we have only begun, nay, we can't even begin since the number of combinations of new minds is so large that we can never even begin to explore 10^10000 different minds and lives.) or at the beginning of "First Principles" like Calculus, Relativity, Theory of Evolution ?

And you think there can be thousands of new theories, game changing ideas and breakthroughs from here to the year 100,000 ?

The latest real physics theory is the Standard Model "finalized in the mid-1970s ", no newer real theories appeared since...

Explain yourself, or are you just answering with one liners ?

I think that the most optimistic approximation is that we are 70 % through with real discovering and probably applications of any real value...(with an invariant "present state" brain), just look at music, from 1600 to 2000: 400 years created probably 70 % of all possible music and ideas, no really pretty songs appeared yet in the years 2000, of course we have all kinds of electronic music and fusion jazz and what not, but most pretty songs have be made and are over and done with (like burt bacharachs - look of love, or songs like moon river, or have yourself a merry little christmas (listen to the james taylor cover)), etc.

the tardy boy

IronMan79 · by **Wenren** » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:17 am

First link is good, second two are broken, but I'd love the read!

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:15 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:

Helandhighwater wrote:A singularity by definition is irresolvable by science, slightly more resolvable by maths if you fiddle with dimensions and constraints but still fairly nonsensical...

I think that you're not talking about the same 'singularity' concept as Nameta.

Nameta is talking about this singularity as far as I can tell
You're talking about this singularity as far as I can tell

Just come to clear up that confusion
For your health!

They are the same, they mark the end of the universe, they mark the edge of the universe as we know it, they mark the entrance into a new universe with new laws of physics,...

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:19 pm

check out:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi ... 4&t=172411

Fermi Paradox Resolved

Why can't we see and hear many other alien civilizations assumed to exist ?

Any extra terrestrial civilization or intelligence would have a very narrow window of time to be interested in other civilizations, interest in the outside world, in communicating with other imagined civilizations on other planets before starting to manipulate their own brains, minds, putting chips in their brains and creating an essentially solid state civilization.

In fact the number of universes that a said civilization could explore by self manipulating itself and communicating only with in a limited area of mass - energy, is greatly larger than any number of alien civilizations. And the manipulations of mass - energy interacting with itself (that is what the Technological Singularity is essentially when brains change themselves and start manipulating themselves and talking to themselves) would be similar in any other area of the universe, hence the curiosity for other alien civilizations would not be sufficient: nothing really new could be discovered compared to mass - energy self manipulating itself.

Mass - Energy self manipulating itself would be similar in any other point of the universe, nothing new to discover.

Brains that self manipulate can create all kinds of new informational relationships within themselves: you can imagine, within a cubic meter, trillions of transistors, neural circuits, optic circuits that are exploring simply the combination of Mass - Energy self evolving and expressing itself. Some parts of the cube can evolve at extremely fast and different rates, so as to be creating essentially "alien civilizations" only a few centimeters apart, and interacting, communicating, and exploring all the same.

So what would be found in a small volume of Mass - Energy self manipulating and evolving and interacting with all kinds of combinations and dependent and independent parts, Free Willoniums, Computroniums, etc. is equivalent to what would be found by civilizations that evolved millions of light years away, independently: ONLY THE INFORMATIONAL RELATIONSHIPS AND INTERACTIONS, ALONG WITH, EMOTIONS, LOGIC, NEW BRAIN CIRCUITS, NEW ORGANIZATIONS OF MEMORY, LOGIC, INVENTED LAWS OF PHYSICS really count, the rest is redundant.

Check out:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=172275

An exploration in the space of configurations. It is mathematically equivalent to visiting other planets in space ships or visiting "fake" planets in a simulation: the independence of the planets and the life that has evolved on them can be made equivalent, the simulation can be made as independent as possible from any initial starting point, after all it is always the same Mass - Energy and is the same in all points in space.

To frame the concept better, imagine how many possible combinations of information and sequence of information events your senses could possibly perceive (keeping the brain an invariant for now, with our "traditional and old fashioned" organization of memory - logic - emotion - pain/pleasure circuits fixed and hardwired as is today). These sequence of information items aggregate and add up into an "experience", so there is an experience that is mathematically equivalent to going to Mars and encountering Little Green Men. Exploring the space of combinations or using a space ship is equivalent, only that with the "simulation" or within the 1 cubic meter of singularity Mass - Energy self manipulating, you can explore a much larger state space much faster. But then you just need to encounter one Civilization that changes everything you think and know and all of your technology to halt the exploration indefinitely ...

Check out:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157516&start=25

"The idea is probably not new, the universe is just pure information, the it to bit physics, so all possible combinations of these bits mapped to everything we can imagine is just a small subset of what is possible. The laws of physics seem to select only a very few combinations, but the superset of all combinations is the real size of the universe or any possible universe, so that is true reality, not what we feel with our senses."

IronMan79 · by **nameta9** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:13 pm

The world is not precise or accurate:

from first principles:

1) The three body problem has no analytical and closed solution, only approximations, this really means that the entire project of science as such is essentially failed, doomed, has hit a wall, will never again recover from this blow. This means that no matter how much you study, experiment, devise theories, no matter how close you think you reach the generalized truth, it will always be very relative, fragile and always an approximation, a guess, the true nature of the world is chaos, no rules, oblivion, infinite mystery, no discernible patterns, a joke on logical minds, a chess game against god where you will always lose.

2) The most precise physical theory, Quantum Electrodynamics is based on Quantum Mechanics: a probability theory, this also signals the end of logic and science, the end of determinism, Einstein could not believe it therefore he declared that "God doesn't play dice" but deep inside, he knew that this marked the end of the entire project of science, of a logical world, now the world had events with no causes, now everything went, now the world was no longer deterministic, it was a ghost, a make believe, utterly incredible to behold, but such it is: and ironically the most precise theory of science is based on the random, probability, wild choice, a lucky number, no cause and effect anymore, the end of science. And with the end of a logical world, came the end of any idea of a logical "designer" of the world, aka GOD...

IN general:

1) Look around you, everything you see is casual, everything is a random combination, the group of pebbles on the street, the design of mountains, ocean waves, etc. Could you predict the exact design of a mountain from first principles ? can you predict the exact form of an ocean wave from first principles ? or a cloud ? etc. So therefore the world is chaotic, random, a wild guess, it is not precise, nay, the exact opposite, ever more incredibly random, etc. (don't even get me started on any "social sciences", or "economy" etc, or "medicine" or "biology" etc. in fact the things most important for us are the things least predictable, can never be predicted, etc).

2) Look at how hard supercomputers are trying to model simple things like Protein Folding: even with computers executing a trillion calculations per second, they can't really predict these things any farther than a given limit: and the very fact that you need numerical methods and trillions of calculations is a declaration of defeat on behalf of science, of mathematics, of predictability, is essentially saying "we will never be able to calculate simple protein foldings, nature is too "hard", but just give us cash so as to create larger and larger computers and faster computers and maybe someday... those differential equations don't have "exact solutions".

Actually I have reached a conclusion that the laws of physics of our universe were simply a wild chance guess of relationships that popped out of nowhere, just like a sheet of glass cracks in the most unpredictable way, so the laws of physics, (what is left of the approximations of things that look like laws of physics) where a totally random choice, the metaphysical basis of reality is undetermined, random, completely disjoint, actually these laws of "our universe" are an example of some laws somewhat weakly connected to each other, therefore they fooled us into believing that they were real, but most universes that pop up out of nowhere have even stranger more chaotic laws, and some may have extremely precise laws, etc. all a wild guess, a random number, a wild chance...

Now science is at the end of the road, the only road we have left is to change the way our brain and mind is designed and observes and experiences the world: this is the future of science, a never ending stream and array of new Observing processors on the top of our body, all connected wildy differently, all seeing new universes, etc.

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