Tuesday, October 29, 2013

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Re: Growth is Over !

Postby nameta9 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:14 pm
I have the impression that when the time comes, the powers that be can simply fabricate growth, can impose it, can make it happen anyways since it is mostly a man made construction : they have access to trillions of dollars worldwide (and even more since the money can be printed) and when they get together and "decide" that a country or region will become the new "superstar" the new growth economy, the new boom economy, they will all pour in and "invest" (which really means hundreds of these large corpartions open offices, hire thousands and hundreds of thousands, and so forth) all giving the impression of being independent and being a natural state of affairs when in all truth it was decided and fabricated and constructed in stealth mode, underground without anyone noticing and so forth.

And so it was with China and Brazil, and so it was with JAPAN and Korea and Western Europe from the 1950s to 2000 and so it will be with Indonesia, Vietnam, Turkey, Peru, Mexico and so forth and when they get tired of these (since the game is all about change and creating inequalities, even worldwide regional inequalities to create movements of money and activity and so forth) all of a sudden Southern Europe and Spain, Greece and Italy will "boom" again, they will become once again the New Superstars and so forth and so on.

It is all just a game, a make believe...remember Argentina 10 years ago (they crashed and were in default, depression), now they are booming again or so it seems...



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Postby nameta9 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:48 pm
Computers that can Self Program themselves ?

Now if computers are "Advancing" so much that they will be equal to the power of a brain in a few years (according to some simple math, like the number of neurons equals the number of transistors or something like that or whatever), then why hasn't anyone been able to simply automate "PROGRAMMING" computers in the first place ? Why hasn't all the BS of Artificial Intelligence, machine learning how to play chess better than humans, the IBM watson thing being smarter than a person in quiz games and so forth and so forth, not been able to automate simple programming tasks ? Like simply state what your program must do and the machine figures it all out perfectly in a language like Perl or Visual Basic or Java without anyone needing to do anything at all, just like the really smartass chess programs can beat humans ?

After all most programming tasks are perfectly cut out for machines to figure out, just like chess, in fact they are much easier than chess, and even complex programming tasks could easily be licked: so why hasn't any Microsoft or IBM or GOOGLE (with all the billions of cash in R&D they all have) come out with a spectacular show demonstrating how "advanced" they have become in this regards ?

This would be the perfect application of "Artifical Inteligence" ever, of "Expert Systems" (remember those ? now they have gone out of style for "failure to advance" ) and so forth.

After 50 years of "Research" Artificial Intelligence and Software and Computers have barely advanced at all, go figure...

Any ideas ? Am I wrong ?





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Saturday, October 26, 2013

We are black holes ...





Re: Growth is Over !

Postby nameta9 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:09 pm 

We are the way the universe overcomes the "Laws of Physics": we are the points of the universe where it relinquishes the Iron Fist Prison of the Laws of Physics, we are the singularities, the black holes, the volumes of Space and Time where these concepts and all other logical concepts are no longer valid. Our simple random choices and free will, what we do moment by moment follows no laws accept random laws we decide to make exist at the moment for any or no reasons at all, we are actually the points where "Free Physics" can actually instantiate itself, we are where all kinds of random, quirky, illogical and senseless "cause and effects" can be invented for obscure, intractable personal reasons or models or ideas a civilazation, the human race self programs itself to have and so forth.

I decided to write these symbols on this page: what logic could have ever predicted this, what equations, who could have guessed it ? and what other new sequence of symbols will be written where and for what reason any place in the universe ? and so forth and so on.

And so it is with all the actions and reactions, the interlocking interactions humans have between themselves, all the fights, thoughts, struggles, wars (who could have predicted, in that exact moment and place the explosion of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima if an alien race where looking at the planet from far away and noticing this effect ? how could they ever know why or how ? and so forth).

So if just one human, one Man Brain one person is a point of space time where physics is no longer valid thanks to that person's free will, then imagine hundreds or billions of people interacting, the laws of physics are no longer operating at all if only as a background, a stage upon which the real events which are all arbitrary and random and a fluke are taking place, and where all the real events, exactly because they pertain to humans and the effect they have on their pain/pleasure circuits, the only ones that really define reality occur.

So being that the "Economy" is based on these "elementary particles" which follow no Laws of Physics, nothing can really ever be said about it, it is totally unpredictable, outside of the sphere of science, any science.

But then again, the laws of physics break down as soon as you try to predict the motion of three interacting particles, the three body problem has no solution, so the universe and reality is essentially lawless, has no laws, only some vague laws that we use to format reality according to our mental models, so that we can use it to speak to ourselves essentially, it is all a game of dependent and independent parts, surprises, and control, logical segments flung upon the world, but imagine how many new logical segments can be flung upon all you see, all that exists, according to all kinds of paths and according to all kinds of observers, the tree is an observer and the logical segment is a car tire to interact with a sun and so forth.



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Re: Growth is Over !

Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:36 pm
Of course it would be funny if this prediction was all wrong and we had decades of hypergrowth in the near future, millions of jobs, high paying jobs, cheap homes and so forth: it could be since our minds are always wrong, any model or theory is always wrong no matter what and this is because of the nature of "Irreducible Complexity": a system can undergo any phase transition and become something else without any possibility of knowing how or why, the reasons are intractable or probably more correctly, there are no reasons or theories or models for the way irreducibly complex systems evolve and change. Anything goes.

But beware of all the politicians and economists blaming this or that for "low growth" or chanting that we need more competition or flexibility or education to "spark growth" and create jobs or that we need any other things like less taxes or any new laws or anything at all and all such BS: nothing further from the truth, they all have an agenda, they are all biased to obtain some gain against someone else, to change things in their favor (mostly in favor of the capitalists and owner class and rich) and so forth. And beware of all the morality BS, the corruption BS and so forth, always blaming some group or someone or something for some "Morally Wrong" behavior and such (too much tax evasion or too much corruption or Obama sucks or anything else), this has nothing to do with the economy: the econmy is independent of all of this and depends only on a chance configuration of interlocking forces and conditions...


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Re: Growth is Over !

Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:26 pm
nameta9 wrote:A typical person in Rome or Milan can make 1,000 euros a month salary or 1,200, a typical small 50 square meter flat rents for 800 euros a month or more (usually more), now please tell me, what kind of economy can be based on this ? houses costing your entire salary ? The economy will never recover or even survive under these conditions of home prices, but everyone will keep on protecting their past wealth in the form of high home prices unitl the prices suddenly collpaes to zero, just like Detroit.

And notice, no one wants to build “new homes” for “ecological reasons”; in all truth they are hiding the fact that new homes could force the prices of the ones already built lower. And notice no one wants to tax homes, they should be taxed one percent their market value, a 300,000 euro valued home in Rome or Milan should pay 3,000 euros a year of tax, finally the prices would collapse and maybe the economy could start going again."


This applies to most of the developed world anyways: in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York City, Paris, London, Moscow and so forth Tokyo, Seoul and so on, it is always the same story, housing rents cost more than the average salary, hence growth is doomed no matter what, no forces want to change any of this, so this is the end of growth and it is happening very rapidly in China, Brazil etc. Shanghai prices are sky high, same for RIO de janeiro and so forth.


"Look at all the homes and buildings and stuff built in the USA, EU and JAPAN in the last 100 years. Are we going to build all the stuff all over again from now until 2100 ? No way jose', so how are these economies actually going to "Grow" anymore ?"

Just one fast calulation: if the worldwide value of all buildings and houses is 100 trillion dollars, that means that you would have to build 1 trillion dollars a year of houses for 100 years to equal the amount of houses made in the 20th century. So that would add up to building some 10 million houses or apartments a year worldwide for the next 100 years. So 5 million single family homes and some 5 million apartments a year worldwide or some 100,000 apartment buildings a year worldwide or some 200 buildings a day.

I don't see any of that huge amount of construction going on worldwide, not even by a long shot: I think China stopped building so many buildings in the last few years since they are now choking on empty apartments and they keep the prices sky high and way out of reach of any average salary in China (since apartments are "investments", are "cash" made up of bricks, go figure, such an idiotic idea, use cash as a weapon to beat up those who have less), so how is the worldwide economy going to grow at all ? They won't build the buildings if they can't sell of rent them but at the same time they won't give out salaries such that any average person can buy or rent them, hence growth is over and done with.

No way jose', give it up, it is over, doomed, we are doomed...


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Re: Growth is Over !

Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:52 am
From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

"Biochemistry professor Michael Behe, the originator of the term irreducible complexity, defines an irreducibly complex system as one "composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning""

"Thomas H. Frazzetta. "A complex adaptation is one constructed of several components that must blend together operationally to make the adaptation "work""


To understand why the "Economic Growth" cycle is over and done with, consider that the economy is an example of a system that is simply of "Irreducible Compexity": all of the well matched, interlocking and interacting forces and parts and conditions and configurations and combinations that made the 20th century economy develop so fast and for so many decades was a one time quirk, a one time lucky break composed of so many parts, so many one time parts (like the introduction of Cars and Airplanes and TVs and all other kinds of technology increasing the standard of living), many factories paying first world salaries to workers in the USA, EU and JAPAN (no cheap competition from outsourcing, 3rd world workers), more natural resources left to exploit (more and cheaper oil), less pollution and constraints on the environment, a more open and optimistic psychological culture - social expectations - younger population, no health care prices going sky high or college costs going sky high or home rents going sky high and so forth, a never ending stream of interlocking parts and conditions creating a very fragile and delicate system of Irreducible Complexity whereas just a slight change of one of the parts creates all kinds of feedback loops that change the system into something else forever and no chance of ever going back again.

That is what we have today: the end of that growth economy and the beginning of the stagnating economy that will end up becoming mostly poverty for 60 to 70 percent of the population worldwide including the developed world since there is absolutely no project or plan to change anything at all: no large scale projects hiring millions to go to Mars for example, no governments hiring millions to simply give people a salary when work is no longer needed anyways, no building millions of skyscrapers, no free salaries and cheap rents and so forth, none of the only things that could change the system back into a system capable of distributing some of the huge wealth a Technological Economy automatically generates.

What we will end up having is a very mediocre standard of living maybe 20 to 30, at most 40 % of what we have today, some 600 to 1000 dollars a month pay to all workers worldwide (those few that work) and a convergnce of very average living conditions between all countries: the USA won't live much better than Indonesia and so forth.

But it will be gradual, no big jumps, just a slow decline and the end of the great leap forward the 20th century was. Most people will lead very average lives, no great wealth anymore, bar none, only the rich will be ever richer as usual.




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Re: Growth is Over !

Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:54 am
Also:

From:

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/eurocrisispress/ ... -of-chaos/

"I find it amazing that probably the most important reason for so many problems in Italy is the cost of housing, the home prices and the rents, and nobody mentions or notices this!

This is the real crux of the problems in Italy: home prices tripled each decade from 1966 to 2006: a typical 80 square meter home in Rome (where the “jobs” are) went from costing 5000 dollars in 1966 to 15,000 in 1976 to 50,000 dollars in 1986 to 150,000 dollars in 1996 to almost 500,000 dollars in 2006. No one notices this or talks about this, this is incredible, but there is a reason: 80 percent of Italy are owners of homes and want to protect the “value” of their homes more than anything else, were all happy for this huge inflatiuon of home prices and so forth. All of the money saved went into buying homes, is crystallized in the home prices and this forced the rents to be sky high and effectively truly blocked the economy for many years and will keep on blocking it until these prices go way, way down.

A typical person in Rome or Milan can make 1,000 euros a month salary or 1,200, a typical small 50 square meter flat rents for 800 euros a month or more (usually more), now please tell me, what kind of economy can be based on this ? houses costing your entire salary ? The economy will never recover or even survive under these conditions of home prices, but everyone will keep on protecting their past wealth in the form of high home prices unitl the prices suddenly collpaes to zero, just like Detroit.

And notice, no one wants to build “new homes” for “ecological reasons”; in all truth they are hiding the fact that new homes could force the prices of the ones already built lower. And noticd no one wants to tax homes, they should be taxed one percent their market value, a 300,000 euro valued home in Rome or Milan should pay 3,000 euros a year of tax, finally the prices would collpase and maybe the economy could start going again."
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Postby nameta9 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:57 am
Growth is Over !

Look at all the homes and buildings and stuff built in the USA, EU and JAPAN in the last 100 years. Are we going to build all the stuff all over again from now until 2100 ? No way jose', so how are these economies actually going to "Grow" anymore ? (you would have to demolish all structures, buildings, houses, cars, etc. and build them all over again, look at the google street views of JAPAN for example or the USA or any other place in the Developed World) Are the populations of these places going to go up as they did in the last 100 years ? No way jose' (as population going up means building more houses, more stuff to buy and throw away etc.) so growth will never come back again.

All the markets are saturated, can easily be saturated by goods and need little labor to produce all these goods, so growth can't come back again anymore no matter what. We can grow alot of BS and "Information" (which is mostly useless crap, just like this post), financial BS and "Services" (another word to say, lets play status and power games and break each others chops over who is going to be an impediment to who else according to who is stronger and so forth, nothing real and useful being produced here by a long shot, just like real estate prices going up and hosing everyone and health care and education costs going up and hosing everyone and so forth, everone becomes a problem to everyone else).

And especially are we going to enter a period of Technological Progress like the last 100 years that allowed to hire millions building Cars and TVs and Computers and all such NEW things all over again when technology is over and done with ? everything that could have been done has been done and anyways most things are built in poorer countries due to their low salaries and such. I don't see any new technologies or inventions needing huge Industry hiring millions of new workers worldwide in sight here for the future. I see a lot of layoffs and restructuring and robots and technology taking away those few jobs left.

BUt the economists keep on chanting this myth of Economic Growth (dont't believe the numbers they say, like the USA has grown 3 % in 2012 and such, they have to make up the numbers or else admit that the economies are all failed now), they have to, the debts that the USA, EU and JAPAN have are trillions upon trillions of dollars and with essentially ZERO ECONOMIC GROWTH (if not NEGATIVE) there is no way on earth that those debts will ever be paid back no matter what. These places are essentially bankrupt, failed entities are over and done with. Just look at reality:

1) is it easier to find a job now ? NO, never been harder in fact;

2) even if you find a job, is it paid better ? NO! often it is paid way lower than in the past

and ESPECIAllY

3) EVEN IF YOU FIND A JOB (IMPOSSIBLE) AND GET THAT PUNY PAY CAN YOU RENT OR BUY A HOUSE THAT ISN'T MORE THAN 80 % YOUR PUNY SALARY ? DOES HOUSING COST A DECENT PRICE COMPARED TO THE PUNY SALARY ? no way jose', houses either to rent or buy always cost you your entire monthly salary whether in the USA, or EU or JAPAN, (in the areas where the "JOBS" are, since if you go live in Detroit they cost peanuts but you starve) go figure, the economists never say that in order to have growth housing costs must go way, way down compared to the puny salaries being dealt to all the losers, but they have to hope that "prices recover" which means they are hoping that the rents or costs of houses increase even more compared to the puny salaries.

But then again according to the economists, the puny salaries are all the workers fault: they didn't get enough "Training", they don't have the right "Skill Sets", they don't "Innovate enough", they are not "Competitive enough", they are not "Flexible enough", they didn't create that brand new "Startup" making billions and "hiring thousands", and so forth and so on, a never ending list of execuses hiding the fact that relations between people is just a power struggle, a war, a fight where no common good or economy will blossom anymore.






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Progress over, change the brain now...

Postby nameta9 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:07 pm
Found an interesting blog:

scott locklin:

http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2009/ ... -progress/

he says:

I think this particular article is also quite germane to this blog, as it’s about the disturbing slow down in the rate of technological progress we’ve experienced in my lifetime. I realize this is going to be controversial, and it may seem insane since you’re reading about it on my personal little network broadcast system, but it is an important subject worthy of your consideration. Technological progress isn’t what it used to be. Oh sure, the direction is remains generally positive (though not always), but the rate of new innovations and human power over nature seems to have slowed considerably. I don’t think I have any simple answers as to why this is so, but I want people to think and talk about it. As far as I know, there are no voices anywhere in the blogosphere or any other popular media which are saying this, excepting perhaps Charles Murray. Someone has to start the conversation, and that someone apparently has to be me. Sure, you could dismiss this idea as depressive rantings caused by economic apocalypse, but I actually have had this idea in mind since 2003 or so, when I was procrastinating writing up my Ph.D. thesis in the LBL library. I spent a week or so reading the yearly journal, “Advances in computers” -a wonderful experience that was probably more valuable than writing my thesis up. It was also humbling in that there have been very few recent advances in computers which aren’t simply advances in lithography.

If you’re a scientist or technologist, obviously this should be an interesting subject for you. If you’re a financial type: this should be even more interesting for you, as economic progress is ultimately fueled by technology and improvements in human power. I consider it the most important subject of our time. Why aren’t we doing better?

I’m impressed and humbled by the caliber of people who have read and commented on my blog, so I hope some of you take the time to read and think about this short piece, and maybe leave me some useful comments for or against my thesis. Because I directed the article at a popular audience, I skipped over a lot of technical details. Obviously computers have made possible innovations like Supply Chain and Operations Research type things, which are a form of progress, but not a revolutionary one: things aren’t really much different. Keeping less product on shelves isn’t really progress to my mind. Inventing, say, double entry book keeping: that made stuff incredibly different from how things worked before. Inventing trains and trucks to move product around: that’s real progress too. Blogs are … well, they’re a sort of democratization of technology: very positive, but not exactly progress. Some wise-acre I spoke to had the nerve to use Twitter or other social networking websites as an example of “progress.” If you are tempted to do so, I would assert that you don’t know what the word “progress” means. Anyhow, here is the article:

http://takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_ ... z1iX8riIl1



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so I have been replying for years what must now be done: change the brain structure, change minds and mind circuits as in:

Re: can science and religion be reconciled?
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nameta9 wrote:
Hence this justifies the "Scientific Program" of designing new Brains and Minds having any possible interaction set with any possible outside environment created for it, any possible pain/pleasure circuits and so forth (the true evolution of technology, "Technology Achieved", technology on steroids, as only the pain/pleasure circuits count in the end and technology is only a means to achieve more pleasure than pain, etc.), this justifies the fact that reality is just an event, a point like event that can be emerged within any Interaction Set and Information Set and Experience Set, since the "event" is only ever all reality and truth, independent of any laws used to navigate it, nay, the laws can be invented, can be any at all, hence science is truly arbitrary as it pertains to only one set of interaction laws set up by Natural Evolution with respect to this quirky, random chemical set called Man.



In fact technology is at the end of the line, progress is over, we won't be discovering or creating new fangled things anymore like Electricity or Computers of Jet Planes and so forth. New Smart Phones containing old hat functions like phones and cameras and the internet just won't cut it anymore. At most we can replicate millions of models, produce a huge number of items of the same time, increase distribution and production of the old things we already have (fill the third world with cars and computers and skyscrapers and so forth), but we can't really invent any really new things anymore, we are at the end of the line now. We can make trillions of old things (what we should do anyways, we need huge increase of consumption and production of all kinds of things and remember that consumption is way more difficult to achieve than production, producing is easy, consuming is hard because people are still too used to the Resource Scarcity Mentality (not like the USA, the only real consmuer society), and all the economists and politicians think that GDP grows by helping corporations and production and competition and companies when in all truth, GDP grows mostly when you hike up consumption hugely, consumption should be the name of the game and more money in people's hands, not companies and production and so forth, consumption is infinitely more important than production and much harder to produce since it depends on people's culture and mind and hesitation to buy and waste like crazy, what we really need!) trillions of skyscrapers and rockets to planets and TVs and computers and so forth, mostly trillions of examples and permutations of mostly old ideas and concepts, but nothing really radically new like the Jet Plane was, or the Rocket to the Moon was, or the Automobile was and so forth.

In fact, you can really feel the desperation of our civilization that can't really go forward anymore (let alone all the political - social - economic problems that will forever be intractable and without any solutions because the Man Brain is simply a fighting against each other machine having will power machine and so forth), boredom, not knowing what new exciting thing to invent and so forth, what new possible market can be created, the constant chant for Innovation and Startups and Research and so forth hoping to gain something and so forth.

But the only real way forward now is to proudly and boldly and bluntly modify the Man Brain, the Observing Contraption on the top of our body, the Skull contents, stick in chips and new designs, make the new brains do all kinds of incredible new things, technology on steroids, technology achieved, modify the Mind and Brain in infinitely new ways, create trillions of new universes, all other past inventions and novelties will seem so tiny and worth so little compared to this.

But it is as if our Civilization is simply hesitating, waiting to make the jump, waiting and hestitating and afraid to finally plunge into the real future: the FUTURE OF WILDLY NEW BRAINS, MODIFIED BRAINS AND NEW SENSE ORGANS AND EMOTION STATES AND CONTRAPTIONS AND LOGIC AND FREE PHYSICS AND SO FORTH, THE FUTURE WHERE ALL OF THE PAST DISAPPEARS IN A JIFFY SINCE ALL THE RULES OF THE GAME CHANGE 100 %, THE PLUNGE INTO NEW UNIVERSES AND EXPERIENCE SETS AND INTERACTION SETS AND INFORMATION RELATIONSHIPS, ETC.

So keep on waiting and hestitating civilization, keep on playing puny games with old products and inventions, keep on devising new smart phones with other cameras and old hat things instead of doing what must be done: stick jet engines in the skull and mind, stick wild symbols and circuits in brains, change the brains in infinitely new varieties and types, do it man, you can do it, first gear - its all right, second gear - hang on tight, third gear you're out of sight.

Then again, even this theory and ideology may be a desperate attempt to keep on producing an imaginary progress when progress is mostly terminated in that modifying brains and minds will simply lead up pain and death since biological contraptions are so complex and intractable that it cannot be done: remember the three body problem can't be solved even with supercomputers executing a trillion operations a second...


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Re: Progress over, change the brain now...

Postby Daktoria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:40 pm
A lot of the problem is that people are focused on synthesizing efficiency now over information and transportation technology. You don't see any new "real" technology being made since people insist on learning from experience instead of coming up with new things to do.

A classic example of this is in the music industry.

Centuries ago, people were actually inventing new technological instruments to be played.

Today, everything is based around synthesizers, and even genres themselves are synthesized.
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Re: Progress over, change the brain now...

Postby nameta9 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:45 pm
What does a modified brain - mind really mean ? anything, anything can go, any result, but the problems are that all the assumption of a "common world" fall apart, all the rules of the game, all ideas, reference systems, all social conventions and so on fall apart, become unknown or variables and so forth. There is no longer any consensus on what the "real world" is if there is a new modified brain thinking, decoding, and interacting with the world differently. After all a civilization - a culture, the human race is only the sum of billions of very similar mind brain machines decoding and interacting with the world according to a very small subset of possible models and thought schemes and language systems.

A new brain can be slightly different and already be in a completely different universe (just notice how different the tribes that populated the world in history are so different just changing their mental models and rituals and prospectives, etc.). Imagine how different the world could be to a new mind brain designed in many new different ways: and then even just one mind brain is equivalent to a "human race" as the number of similar brains all talking to themselves can be viewed as just one Man Brain by itself, the number of instances of the same brain type doesn't really count, it is the Information Relationship Set that the processing machine can experience that creates the reality.

Now a completely different brain can be so different from us as to end up being completely unrelated, so far away from us that there is no way we can even remotely conceive or know what it is experiencing and so forth. Not even the highest abstractions can give us a feel for brains that end up being so different as to not having anything at all in common with us anymore: not saying that it can have trillions of more emotion systems or sense organs or sentimental experiences and so forth, but having things and experiences for which we have no words or concepts or anything no matter how much we try. So the rock on the street can be a possible new brain having trillions of experiences so removed and different from us as being impossible to communicate anything at all, hence it is irrelevant for us what the rock is doing, it is too far away from us, even though it is a complete universe, mind and brain having trillions of experiences and so forth. Just the fact that we see and know everything with denotations, indirections, symbols as opposed to a possible a new mind that could feel (like touch or pleasure or anything as far out as possible?) everything it sees and interacts with deeply, so deeply that we would appear to be completely dead compared to minds feeling everything infinitely deeply and so forth, not only reasoning about it or symbolizing things in logic schemes as we normal Man Brains have always done.

What could happen if Man finally decides to jump the gun is that many new parallel minds and experiences could start executing new lives and universes: but then at that point we are at the end of history and the human race (and the universe and laws of physics and for that matter), all what happens in each new brain (and there could be trillions of new experiences and experiments) is a world apart, there is no longer history or progress, (there is no longer a "common world" a consensus on what is real, nay, a consensus is no longer needed, each mind is a universe unto itself, self sufficient and infinitely powerful, Man Brains having billions of instantiations of itself talking to itself like the human race is is just one particular kind of organization, there can be trillions of other organizations, many consisting of only one brain, others consisting of millions of radically different brains talking to each other (with no consensus) and all the possibilities in between) what happens is disconnected from the linear arrow of time of progress and history, it is outside of all and such.

So will it happen ? maybe, maybe very slowly and gradually or maybe not...


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Re: New CPU Architecture !

Postby nameta9 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:01 pm
CPU design hasn't changed at all in 50 years, I was looking at old computers and CPUs, it is still exactly the same, just a jump instruction, a move and a logical - mathematical operation, etc. Very little has changed, funny how the most "innovative" field is in reality the most conservative, where the basics have been put in place decades ago with no real change (and even the higher level stuff, Android is just Unix made 40 years ago and so forth).

Only the integration has change and improved, just Silicon Science and lithography and such, but Moore's law is running out, another 4 years and Moore's law will be no more...

There is now room to challenge it all with billions of transistors available! so for example get rid of all move and logical operations and set them in a memory all calculated ahead of time: if you have 10 registers and another 10 registers and 10 operations (add, sub, xor) just avoid all moves between registers and put them all cross connected but simply equal to one long register having the contents of the first and the second register and all ten operations, you would get just a thousand registers with everything all done ahead of time, no need to move between registers:

10 registers time 10 registers times 10 operations gives you 1,000 memory slots:

1to 10 registers , then 11 to 20 registers then 1 to 10 operations...

register 1 | register 11 | and
register 2 | register 11 | and

and so forth for all of the combinations.

Then the branches and sequence would just be signals to access any of the 1000 combinations and maybe just a few moves to record back the result into register 1 and 11 and so forth. Or a recursive set of all the results giving you 1000 registers times 1000 reg. times 10 operations giving you 10 million registers (now composed of register 1, 11, register 2, 11 and the and of the previous and results), and then some moves and sequence - branch signals and so forth.

And all kinds of permutations on these ideas, there could be so many new kinds of experimental architectures, I can't believe that in such a field we are still stuck with the same old instructions and CPU designs that we have been doing for 50 years, I can't believe it, we need new bold minds and experiments, we need creative ideas, we need new designs, new architectures, just do it man, do it, break away from the past, do it man !!!!


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Sunday, October 6, 2013

New CPU Architecture !

New CPU Architecture !

Postby nameta9 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:34 am
New CPU Architecture

I was looking at old Microprocessors 6500, 68000, 6800 etc. and noticing that the instruction sets have only 3 types of operations: 1. data movement, 2. branch and 3. math - logical operations on registers so it would be only a JMP or BRANCH, a LOAD from Memory and an ADD (or AND etc.) Number to Memory or register, etc.

So given that these old CPUs had only 5,000 transistors, with the level of integration available today (billions of transistors) you could completely change the CPU architecture: do away with data movement operations, each memory location could have a CPU attached or something like that to do the logical operations, the branches could simply be signals to the memory locations, massively parallel CPU, completely new designs, very fast machines, etc.

If you consider that those old CPU systems had a 4k ROM for BASIC, then 4000 locations times 5000 transistors makes only 25 million transistors, it could be done or experimented, etc.

New CPU architectures, changing completely the way those CPUs were designed, make the memory the processor, make the logic diffused, try all possible combinations, etc.

CPUs in 50 years have only tried about 20 to 50 different combinations, we can now try thousands of new ideas (who cares if most don't work, the possibilities are there, some can be breakthroughs!).

And imagine if we don't even use logic or something, new ways of thinking and such. Just like pure blind forces created life and complexity exactly because those forces didn't use any logic, anything could go, any combination, in as logic simply limits what can be while nature follows no rules it just keeps on making a mess until a brain pops out of the soup, so new CPU designs could be tried, billions of new combinations, with millions of transistors so many new connections and circuits and such...

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Re: New CPU Architecture !

Postby nameta9 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:14 pm
We can free ourselves from the Function Bounded Combinations of Matter into only some combinations not allowing us to explore the entire combinational space: like a car engine must only move a box from A to B and this bounds the design of the engine into only some types of contraptions not allowing us to try out all kinds of new contraptions: the engine could be full of valves, cylinders doing all kinds of things gears, all kinds of irrational mechanisms that are not going to lead to anything (imaginary functions ? wild functions, parallel functions, functions that are no longer point wise from A to B, but entire volumes into others ?) but are just exploring the combinational space of engine parts, coils, gears wires and so forth. Get rid of the bounded end functions and Matter can explore so many new entities, just as Matter did when it evolved the Brain from all kinds of random entities on the earth and a long chain of actions and reactions etc.

We can't construct the origin of life because the random irrational combinations that Matter can assume are way too many for our puny cause and effect logic: blind chance, dumb luck is much richer and can produce much more than our bounded, simple logical mind.

So you can change the way Microprocessors are designed, for example you can have a one shot conversion of a Memory state into another, one million bytes directly connected to a new set of one million bytes, just one shot to change a million memory locations into another and you avoid all the sequential steps.

Or your CPU could have every point on it (or in the volume of the CPU) constantly branching into all possible directions, so not only does every memory location represent a CPU, a processor, but every point is always branching, trying all the combinations constantly and so forth, and all of the combinations in between, trillions of new CPU experiments and designs, so cool!

And a planet sized CPU where every point is a processor doing all kinds of things, if the earth keeps on producing a billion microcontrollers a year, in billions of years the earth will be a ball of Microprocessors all running wildly and randomly, a new evolution, and shove that planet in an ocean of electricity, in the Sun and see what happens.

On a side note, I noticed that these cheap 20 dollars Microcontrollers are becoming popular, Arduino or something like that, so now we can design new Personal Computers and try out all kinds of new ideas and no longer be bounded by Microsoft or Linux, but try all kinds of simpler and new Operating Systems, bring back to life Amiga and such, whatever.

Millions of new PC types, new Operating Systems, wild chips, a never ending stream of new experiments, new possibilities, and evolution will continue, breakthroughs will occur, we will be Free From the Past.


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Re: New CPU Architecture !

Postby nameta9 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:09 pm
Other possibilities: clockless chips, serial to parallel converters, make a chip + program set into a parallel combinational circuit that executes in one shot, simply by signal delay across the complete combination of circuits equivalent to the program and so forth. After all a program in the 6502 (commodore 64) or 6800 could have a few thousand bytes of length, converting it into a parallel circuit could mean just 100 million transistors, no sequential steps, just a long chain of direct combinational signals, delay only by the serialization of the transit time through the transistors.

The slowest part of any system is the serialization delays, whether sequential of parallel...

And other possible machines inside the machines, so many registers and circuits could be connected with a 100 million transistors, or you could make them operate in linear mode, all analog signals and analog circuits, a hugely complex analog computer and so forth, and imagine all the combinations, all of the breakthroughs, you can do it man, just do it, first gear, its all right, second gear hold on time, third gear you're out of sight...



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