Friday, December 20, 2013

Meat and Iron




Re: The Singularity in the FLESH

Postby nameta9 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:44 pm



Re: The Singularity in the FLESH

Postby nameta9 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:44 pm
Meat and Iron

So Matter decides to subdivide itself in all combinations of Meat and Iron, blood and wires, processors and observers, everything you see is a schematic diagram for a new Brain Machine, for a new Experience Generating Contraption, it is all a sheet a paper describing new brain circuits, new sensory systems, new emotional contraptions, so many possibilities, a never ending design of new Minds executing new worlds and so forth.

SO the world is an instance of a given particular subdivision of Matter elements in Men and machines interacting, cities, and messages of Metal flowing through the networks (aka cars and highways, etc.) every electron is an instant singularity, I have seen trillions of incredible new worlds and singularities, you would never believe, and so everything is an instant singularity achieved, all items and entities, the more undetermined they are the better.

So time and thought chunks mixed with Flesh and Iron, Steel and Meat, memories and abstractions all mixed, all concepts mixed, all entities unknown, all colors are shown...time and space converted in to processors and ideas and designs, trillions of new components that will be used in Meat Based Processors. Blood and wires, meanings and thoughts, text and transforms, information and time....thought chunks converted into processors converted into a pure monolithic block of steel and so forth...




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So Matter decides to subdivide itself in all combinations of Meat and Iron, blood and wires, processors and observers, everything you see is a schematic diagram for a new Brain Machine, for a new Experience Generating Contraption, it is all a sheet a paper describing new brain circuits, new sensory systems, new emotional contraptions, so many possibilities, a never ending design of new Minds executing new worlds and so forth.

SO the world is an instance of a given particular subdivision of Matter elements in Men and machines interacting, cities, and messages of Metal flowing through the networks (aka cars and highways, etc.) every electron is an instant singularity, I have seen trillions of incredible new worlds and singularities, you would never believe, and so everything is an instant singularity achieved, all items and entities, the more undetermined they are the better.

So time and thought chunks mixed with Flesh and Iron, Steel and Meat, memories and abstractions all mixed, all concepts mixed, all entities unknown, all colors are shown...time and space converted in to processors and ideas and designs, trillions of new components that will be used in Meat Based Processors. Blood and wires, meanings and thoughts, text and transforms, information and time....thought chunks converted into processors converted into a pure monolithic block of steel and so forth...




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brain salad surgery...





Re: The Singularity in the FLESH

Postby nameta9 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:51 pm
brain salad surgery...

So upside down now: brains design complex schematics describing new more powerful brains and Observing Processors and other brains read these schematics and behold them and have even more intense experience sets and design even more incredible new brains which other brains them behold and so forth, in an exponential loop of ever expanding brain styles, processor systems, using chips and designs and wild ideas and craziness and contradictions and lies and playing around like little cry babies always increasing possibilities, experience sets, the real FLESH singularity achieved.

So it was the other way around: the computers would be used to achieve singularities in the FLESH, not the other way around with man designing the last computer that would then go on to design better instances of itself forever and reaching infinity and eternity in a moment, but the other way around, flesh brains designing imaginary, fake, but real exactly because they are not real and no longer have to obey to the Identity Principles and the Non Contradiction Principles, incredible new brains that would then make them design even better brains to infinity in a moment's time...


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The Singularity in the FLESH


The Singularity in the FLESH

Postby nameta9 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:26 pm
The Singularity in the FLESH


I was reading a great site, a great read, very interesting:


http://www.scaruffi.com/singular/index.html

http://www.scaruffi.com/singular/sin15.html


So one idea that popped up in my mind is that the singularity doesn't really have to be computers becoming ever smarter and designing smarter computers: the opposite may happen, human FLESH brains, wet brains becoming ever smarter and smarter with the help of computers, the Internet and computers as an enabling technology making human minds smarter and smarter by letting these minds (and all kinds of minds across the world, all kinds of random interacting minds no longer limited by physical proximity) interact across the internet (and through transportation, jet planes, cars, etc. bringing people from other countries and continents in contact, technology expanding by using people as an enzyme and people expanding by using technology as an enzyme) and combine and expand knowledge and signals and information: in short computers are used as an enzyme by Man Brains to enhance themselves and so forth.

The Singularity in the FLESH, the human brains start self modifying themselves through all of the possible knowledge and interactions the web and computers can allow and so forth.

Just as Music is Mathematical Relationships upon (or on or of) Undetermined Entities, so consciousness, experience, existence may be viewed as Information Relationships on an indifferentiated substrate made up of FLESH and STEEL, Man and Machines, Carbon Chemistry and Silicon Chemistry, all kinds of delimitations of Matter separated into arbitrary entities, some made up of carbon chemistry, some made up of silicon, electronics, signals, microprocessors all interacting in a one block solid state civilization a one block solid state Observer Processor entity self manipulating itself: then you may distinguish FLESH brains and Computer Brains, and microprocessors, but the singularity may be diffused amongst all delimitations, some singularities happening in FLESH Brains and some in computer brains, a substrate of Matter divided into Men and Machines interacting, confusing each other creating ever more possibilities: like the internet can create millions of new brain designers, designing complex graphs and components, an art work describing incredible new brains, and the FLESH singularities occur by beholding such incredible new complex art works describing new brains, complex schematics trillions of pages long having trillions of components, etc. not the evolutionary singularity, but the instant singularity created by shoving a jet engine in a cranium and similar.

A combination of Man and Machines, of civilizations and mechanisms, a combination of ever changing and wildly different groups of people (countries, societies, individuals, etc.) interacting with and through machines and the machines interacting through and with the human FLESH portion of Matter with other machines all interacting in wildly unpredictable ways...using all kinds of theories and ideas, economies and programs, and new Universes and Laws of PHysics appearing all over ..



TURD

Wednesday, December 18, 2013

Gravity...

Re: Gravity (traditional ideas, and RM)

Postby nameta9 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:07 am
"The reason for this attraction is not understood in traditional physics,"

The reason for X is not understood in traditional physics,

The reason for X is not understood in Y,

No matter how perfect Y is, no matter how many different and improved Ys there are, you will always find some X that cannot be "understood" in Y or in anything at all as the very idea of "understood" is vague, can mean so many different things, is subjective, etc. Anything can be declared understood well enough or not at all depending on the subjective measurements and expectations the Processing Subject is Executing...

And there is no end to the possible inventions of new Ys and Xs and so forth...


ted

Monday, December 16, 2013

Don't believe me ?

And if you don't believe me just look at what happens when a war breaks out: countries can make all the "debts" they want, they can impose all possible expenditures they want, it is an "emergency" now, etc. Nothing further from the truth, countries can always impose any and all expenditures they want since money doesn't run out, since it is just a proxy for activity, for relationships and interactions, and when a country, a civilization, a region decides that it wants to do something, it does it no matter what the cost is. Money is never a problem only to become a problem when the powers that be, the ruling class decide to tighten the belt, just because, for no reason at all, just to squeeze the weak. Germany fought a world war against the whole world for 5 years and spent money like there is no tomorrow, the USA did the same so, now what happened to the "moeny runs out", "resource scarcity myths" ?

All the USA, EU and JAPAN don't want to spend to hire millions just because, for no reason at all: actually notice how the unemployment figures of JAPAN are always so low compared to the USA or EU, how does that work ? if the numbers are not cooked (which is a possibility, we can never know any truth), because they indeed do hire many millions to do nothing, bu hide the fact, they know that work is obsolete, but only to force them to make believe they work even harder by forcing them to stay at work until 10 at night until the "boss leaves": a better example of how little real work they do couldn't be found: beware, all those putting in so many hours are a bluff, they do very little real work always. It is all just a show...to make a good impression on the boss...





tardy ted

The New World


The New World

Postby nameta9 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:34 am
I was notcing how most Music (alongside other technologies, science and so forth) has been discovered and conquered in the last 400 years or so.

As Music is mathematical relationships upon unidentified objects, or undetermined entities, it may be viewed also as a science and technology: SO much of it has been discovered from 1600 to 1700 (BACH) and from 1700 to 1800 (Beethoven) and the romantics from 1800 to 1900 (Wagner) and so forth. The 20th century just put a cork on all possible new discoveries, all of what could have been discovered in Music has now been discovered, we have a website http://www.soundclick.com that has 500,000 potential albums so all kinds of possible combinations of sound can be extracted and so forth: the 20th century just put all the nails in the coffin of possible Musical discovery, from Jazz, to Rock to Electronics and the Contemporary Classical which is the idea or any idea and pattern can be Music ended the exploration once and for good.

And this is the situation we find ourselves in by keeping our Brain - Mind in a stable format and state, instead of changing the way our Mind is designed and engineered, we run out of new possibilities: we may be in this state for many thousands of years until a Civilization starts to change their own Brain and Mind styles, starts exploring all of the possibilities by changing the Observer's Processor: in that case we will be in an exact opposite situation: the possible combinations of new Mind Designs and hence Experience Sets is so large, that even trillions upon trillions of years and experiences can never even start to explore it all.

Make your choice : either run out of all, or embrace that which can never run out.

TED

China Spearheads Forward


China Spearheads Forward

Postby nameta9 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:20 am
China Spearheads Forward

SO China landed a robot on the moon: they are going forward, they want to go forward, they like large, huge collective endeavors, they have to keep their millions of young and potentially unemployed doing something, they create large scale, collective efforts, large scale efforts that occupy many thousands of people for a collective, generalized good, for all, and so forth, the idea of a collective effort, many doing for one objective and so forth. The exact opposite of the USA and EU idea of everyone becoming their own boss and inventing their own startup (all an excuse to make everyone become poor and blame it on the poor workers who couldn't invent the next big thing).

The USA is in low gear now, they just print billions and hand it out to banks and the rich: no money here for huge large scale collective efforts like high speed trains all across the country, rockets to mars and so forth.

Europe is even much worse: a continent of greedy little punks always chanting that money must be balanced, you "can't spend more than you make" and all other kinds of insane, crazy and absurd BS: how is it possible that they don't notice that the world is no longer the 18th century manufacturing sweatshop and that the technological economy has changed all the equations once and for all: Work is not needed, is an optional, is obsolete, is destined to disappear more and more, hence you must, you are forced to give out free salaries and hire millions of young kids to do NOTHING AT ALL, exactly, to do nothing since there is no work needed anymore: we need consumerism more than anything else, huge consumerisms that prop up "Growth", work is no longer needed, is a dime a dozen, can be done anywhere on earth for a few pennies, work is totally irrelevant to the way the modern economy works, we have huge excess capacity (both as number of workers and as production of items both abstract and concrete) in all sectors, in all specializations, we have way more than we will ever need, hence the Euro zone should print trillions of dollars and hire millions of young kids and finally give them a salary, even to do nothing at all (although the hypocritical and stupid psychology of people will always invent millions of useless activities just to show that they are "working" when this activity is irrelevant).

And by the way, the world is awash with trillions of dollars, there has never been so much cash hanging around not doing nothing, trillions upon trillions looking out for some return: that money is automatically generated by a technological economy and will never run out and can never (even if it wanted to) run out, actually it keeps on increasing more and more, you just can't stop it, but the rich keep on hogging more and more of it, they are stuffed, they are choking on it while all the economists and governments worldwide keep on chanting that they can't hire millions of young kids (even to do nothing at all, who cares) and give them free homes because they are "broke" and by creating all imaginary interdictions and rules that can't be broke, all fake imaginary interdictions and roadblocks that are simply a ghost and figment of imagination just like all thought is based mostly on imaginary roadblocks and rules of what is or can be while most entities, activities and things are all open and free and there are very rarely any rules only arbitrary interdictions and will powers operating and power structures and inequality of power and so forth.

But alongside this we need huge collective projects and goals, huge transcontinental goals hiring and activating millions of people to do "real work" like building trillions of skyscrapers, making Atomic Energy Power PLants (the only real future energy source ever), Rockets to Mars and so forth: so we need the USA and JAPAN and Europe to print trillions of dollars on the one hand and hire millions of people to do nothing at all and hire other millions of people to do all these large scale global collective projects and goals and so forth: we need to go forward and get out of this idiotic idea that the invisible hand of the market will hire people and create jobs, that the Startup myth will create the "future jobs" (when all of this technology and startup - innovation stuff will kill ever more jobs by automation and so forth) or that we need more training and education so the young unemployed can be hired and so forth: exactly hired to do what ? exactly what training is needed ? computer programming ? call center jobs ? are they crazy or what, we have millions now trained to do anything worldwide, work is a dime a dozen, what we really need need is that governments hand out free salaries and especially cheap rents to all the young who will never find any job and be able to rent a house and so forth.

And especially build millions of houses, millions of apartments and real estate so that the value of real estate finally becomes ZERO, what its real value is given how easy real estate could be built with so many millions of unemployed and idled youngsters worldwide.

Get it all through your think heads: we are no longer in the 18th century, the game has completey changed, go back to school all you economists (protecting the rich with this sick work centered mentality) and learn something real.


TURD

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Friday, December 13, 2013

Economic Growth is INFLATION

Economic Growth is INFLATION

Postby nameta9 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:52 pm
Economic Growth is INFLATION

I was noticing a pattern that repeats in economies that are developed: after the inital growth period when going from poor to middle class like the EU or JAPAN went from in the 1950s to 1970s, inflation kicks in as a stimulus to growth, forces growth by giving an incentive for buying now instead of later, since prices will be higher later, and so forth, and so this happened especially in Real Estate prices and home prices and rents, etc.

JAPAN had a huge real estate prices inflation from 1980 to 1992, and then the party ended and could not use inflation as a means to grow anymore: also inflation disguises the real value of an economy by making it seem as if it is always getting richer and richer if only through its nominal monetary values, wages increase, but mostly due to inflation, but it looks like growth, it looks like a country is getting richer and there is a heated economic activity since people buy now and buy more and more because "tomorrow prices will be higher", and especially in homes and real estate, a real frenzy kicks in, the prices go up, people buy "now" because the prices will be higher in the future, developers build more homes since it is all profit (a great "investment", the values of homes can only go up), but mostly profit from inflation and this hysterical feedback loop of ever increasing prices and "get yours before it is too late" and so forth.

Overheated economies, more demand than supply, people must buy their house, the prices go up and people will follow the prices anywhere, and the prices of everything else goes up, and "salaries are increasing too, wages are increasing", we are all getting richer and richer, the economy is GROWING.

A very elegant way to create a gigantic make believe, to make everyone feel richer, to make them feel as if they are getting richer and richer: but then, the music stops, the party ends and you end up having 20 years of stagnation like in JAPAN and ITALY. You end up having a huge hangover - headache of high real estate prices crystallized forever after the party is over. But especially, you end up having hugely inflated real estate prices that no longer correspond to what the economy is, but the prices remain high forever, stick to high level while everything else starts to decay. So renting a home becomes impossible for normal salaries, renting office space or stores becomes impossible for normal activities and so forth, and the banks all have their values and wealth tied into real estate, locked forever in that safe, that safe that will kill off the economy.

This is especially true in JAPAN and ITALY, but also Spain and eventually China, India, you name it, even in the USA, although the USA is the most flexible and reactive economy and can still modify real estate prices compared to all the other very rigid economies: because those static economies like JAPAN and ITALY have huge debts, public debts and can only base the eventual payoff of those debts on the now fake real estate values they have (although the values were always fake, there is no way that a home can be valued at more than 100,000 dollars, ten times the value of a car in a normal world, but in these countries homes are valued 300,000 dollars for puny 50 square meter shit holes, go figure, but it felt great for everyone when their home values kept on going higher and higher, they were all getting richer (only to then never think of how their kids would ever manage to rent or buy a home in the future at such prices, now their kids will pay the bill staying in mom's basement until they retire (if they even can work?))): they are forced to keep those prices forever high or else their entire economy finally reveals their real value: ZERO, Detroit on steroids, failed bankrupt states, etc.

An 80 square meter home in Rome, ITALY tripled in value every ten years for 4 decades: it cost 5,000 dollars in 1966, 15,000 in 1976, 50,000 in 1986, 150,000 in 1996 and finally 400,000 in 2006: sounds familiar ? there are parts of the USA where this happened (NYC, San Francisco), London is even worse, Tokyo I think was just as bad if not even worse, Canada is now doing the same idiotic thing, the same party, etc.

And while these prices grow,their "economies are growing" and "doing well", the FED states that they hope that home prices start to go up again: are they crazy or what ? how is an economy where a basic good (also like health care in the USA) keeps on climbing "growing" or "doing well" ? beats me...

Anyways, I think that most growth that occurred in the 2nd half of the 20th century in Europe, JAPAN and other places was mostly growth through inflation, through price inflation, making believe normal things are much more valuable than what they are and by doing so stimulating growth and buying since "buying is better now than tomorrow when prices will be even higher". Also this inflation made the GDP numbers huge, hugely higher than what the real economies are: there is no way that the GDP of ITALY is 1 trillion dollars, the place is poor and cannot possible have a GDP corresponding to such values, but the inflation of costs and values masks how poor an economy is and makes it seem as if they are all so rich (and the same thing applies to many other economies, the GDP numbers are a farce).

Now most of the developed world finds itself in stagnation or deflation which is good: but they will now keep the burden of absurdly high real estate prices and these prices will kill the economies in the end since no one and nothing can make them crash as they deserve to go, they should crash baby crash, go down like crazy, but too many people want to fool themselves that they are rich: they will starve to death but their homes will always be worth a huge amount of money...ITALY take notice unless you want to become a Detroit on Steroids...

So CHINA, this is your future, keep on building apartments, keep those prices high, much higher than the puny salaries you give your slob workers, same for you India, and have fun when the party ends...

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The Final Solution.

The Final Solution.

The point is that there is no future for anyone if the governments worldwide don't start huge projects, projects building homes, hiring millions upon millions even to do nothing at all, it doesn't matter, what counts is that those hired get cash and can consume and buy stuff from the other parts of the economy, etc., projects building high speed train lines across the world, rockets to Mars, hiring by the millions, all kinds of projects, etc. Cheap rents, and free salaries, cheap rents so that real estate doesn't drain huge amounts of money from the consumer economy especially in Europe JAPAN and the developing countries like Russia, Brazil, India, China, Indonesia etc.

This is the only thing that can create "Economic Growth" and Development and Distribution of wealth to all of the other 100s of millions of unemployed slobs worldwide. But we live in an era where everyone wants to beat up everyone else, everyone is seen as a liability towards everyone else, no one deserves anything since they are considered all lazy layabouts (everyone considers everyone else worthless and non deserving and guilty for being alive), all lazy welfare queens and kings who "don't want to work" and so forth. All in punishment mode. No one deserves anything, only if they invent some great Startup do they deserve anything: there is this obsession with having to deserve it, with having merit, with being better than the other slob and so forth: a totally obsolete, old fashion idea, that no longer operates in a technological economy, a technological economy operates on automatic drive, it is all automatic, the personal talent is meaningless, it is all about large scale networks and structures, large scale networks of transportation and electricity and energy and economies of scale and so forth.

This crazy idea that the market will create jobs by itself, that everyone should invent their new job everyday, everyone is an entrepreneur and inventor, (in other worlds it really means that everyone is left to their own devices and good luck with that which also means we don't give a crap about millions of unemployed and poor people worldwide, they may just go and fly a kite, they "deserve their unemployment since they are not trained enough") that the economy will automatically create jobs if the enterprise owners are left alone "to hire" is totally flawed and doesn't work: the jobs the developed world has are more than 50 % due to government money one way or another since they would never be enough jobs for everyone, not even by a long shot: just think of how much is dumped into education jobs, health care, the military and so forth, the financial fluff industry and so forth, all indirectly government money, all indirect money: nothing natural or automatic here, it is all forced expenditures since nothing is natural and automatic anymore.

So then just be honest and demand the governments to dump trillions upon trillions into hiring millions and creating large scale projects, the invisible hand of the market will only kill ever more jobs and make everyone poor in the end. The FED should dump their trillions of dollars into this instead of handing over all the printed fairy tale money to banks and the rich.



TURD

Tuesday, December 10, 2013

up, up and away

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=184782


This also explains the obsession on "GROWTH", on the GDP growing, on growth and expanding of all kinds of things, this obsession with numbers getting bigger, the "INVESTMENT" obsession, the idea tht something has to grow automatically, always, it must grow, it either grows or it contracts, either up or down, either you are winning or losing and so forth. The graphs with the lines all going up and so forth, all the meetings of corporations with all of those graphs showing a line going up, always up up and away.

But this is obviously not realty, reality cannot obviously really operate like this: you have periods of "growth" and periods of contraction, ups and downs, growth is not natural or automatic or a given and if you are not growing it doesn't mean you are dying and sick and so forth.

But this growth concept is really a proxy for "profit", for gain, for "I am winning more" and so forth, the idea that something can't stay still but must generate a profit, a return, it has to go up no matter what: and this is what happens, in the form of inflation, growth in the end is forced by its own obsession, only nothing real grows, only inequality (and the creation of new power structures, new strong guys against weak losers) and prices of basics where you can squeeze people, so the health care prices grow and inflate forever, same with homes and college costs and this is really the sign of a dying society, people must squeeze each other to death since they can't come to terms with a different outlook and accept free salaries, cheap rents and that work is no longer necessary since a technological economy got rid of work once and for all.

But people obvioulsy love inequality since they all think they are "better" than the poor loser...




TURD

A Simpler Explanation ?

A Simpler Explanation ?

Could it be a simple loss of incentive ? If person A cannot make a profit anymore, cannot gain something by "working" or "investing" or any activity, economic activity anymore, cannot gain "an upper hand", or "win something against another person", or make a gain, especially a gain against another person or entity, especially a "win" to the detriment of another person, which makes it more "valuable" (since you gain and the other suffers, and it makes you feel better, superior and good and so forth),  person A will stop doing, will stop "working", will stop investing, will stop doing anything, just like the NEETS (not in education or working).

And this can be the real situation of the "Economy" worldwide and in general, it is harder and harder to make investments, work and gain: case in point, if you do find a job anywhere, as soon as you want to do something more, you want something else, like get out of living in your mom's basement and maybe rent your own small home to rent (for a kid) the cost of renting takes away such a large chunk of your salary that it is just not worth it, it is just not worth it anymore, why work and not have anything left when it all goes away for rent and other obligatory expenses ? So there is no longer any incentive. And so it is with many endeavors, many situations where profits are minimal, because markets are saturated, or can be easily saturated and so forth. You can work and keep on living in your mom's basement and save some cash and then what ? buy a new car and take some trips and those 20,000 dollars of cash you saved up in 2 or 3 years all goes down the drain anyways, many think it is not even worth working at all anymore, who cares about a few trips and a new car ?

So the economy stops, starts contracting and so on. Bubbles are the only thing that can prop it up, get it going again, albeit for only a temporary period of time, a temporary illusion that so many people can make a killer gain by buying and increasing home prices for example or dot com web sites (like in the period from 1997 to 2002). We need illusions, make believes, bubbles, we need INFLATION more than anything else, inflating prices giving the illusion of making a gain, inflating HEALTH CARE prices to give the incentives to work in HEALTH CARE (and make everyone feel sick and believe they are sick and they will need and make them need ever more health care) or COLLEGE PRICES, bubbles and make believes, a temporary illusion that something normal, something average is all of a sudden worth a lot more, brainwash people and even if it only lasts a few years you will make a killing profit on it and so forth. A temporary falsification of reality, a temporary fairy tale everyone believes in and generates a lot of economic activity that is destined to end, the perfect example is home price inflations and McMansions and everyone buying McMansions on loaned money that will never be paid back again and so forth. Or the "START UP" mythology, everyone starting their own company thinking they will be the new Bill Gates, all these great inventers making it big (how can people believe such BS ? inventing something new and profitable is something that happens once in a blue moon, everything else is a make believe bubble, is an illusion, only one in ten thousand can possibly make it big). Notice people don't want "NORMAL" don't want a simple job, a decent salary and low home prices and rents, they all want to be superstars and by wanting this they all become poor slobs in the end, a poorer and poorer society.

But the game ends, these kinds of games end, you can only invent and force so many bubbles in the end, people may start learning their lesson and not buy into all the HIGH REAL ESTATE values and prices anymore and so on (although there is no limit on how stupid and repetitive people are and how much you can fool them and how many times they can fall into the same traps).

The economy did well from 1950 to 2000 only because of a given combination of mutual gains and decently priced goods and a decent amount of work for a lot of people given the technological level of those decades and so forth: that was a quirk, a momentary quirk of conditions that will never come back again (no outsourcing and chinese workers taking your job away and so forth).

So given this situation of economies destined to naturally contract and run out of gas in the long run as all incentives to do anything decrease, the bubbles fade away, the profits become minimum and so on and it becomes harder and harder to gain an upper hand against anyone else at all, what can be done ?

Huge government projects, huge construction projects building trillions of skyscrapers and new homes and new high speed train lines and rockets to Mars, huge public works hiring millions even to do nothing at all all across the world, as there really is very little new possible work needing to be done anyways, free salaries and cheap rents, we must get out of this idea that a profit based, profit seeking economy will get us anywhere anymore and embrace huge consumerism and government led and enforced economies creating huge projects free salaries and cheap rents.

Half of Philadelphia is made up of old crappy homes, tear it all down and build millions of new skyscrapers, cheaply priced luxury apartments and so on and then ten years later tear it all down again and build huge suburbs all over it again, all over again and so on, force development and projects, colonize Mars and so forth.

Will this be done ? No, all the economic politics worldwide are doing the exact opposite, firing government workers, closing factories (no profit, no work) everything is contacting, there is no future, all in punishment mode. The end result will be greater and greater poverty for all. Now keep on saying that people are lazy slobs and must be fired, go on keep on saying that we don't need to pay taxes (since taxes pay other people) and they are robbing "your hard earned money" and all other kinds of BS, keep on saying they need more "education and training" more "innovation" and research to "create jobs" when no one on earth really even understands any of how all this BS can be connected to new jobs and job creation when more innovation and reserarch and education's principle and major goal is to eliminate jobs and automate work, is to kill jobs so that greater profits can be made for the fewer and fewer enterprise owners and so forth.



TURD

Friday, November 29, 2013

fight


http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=184626

Another thing: the vote is on basing the highest pay not being 12 times more than the lowest (not 1200).

Anyways the real class struggle is always amongst the lower classes, between the poor and the relatively poorer people, the real class struggle is between middle class and poor and so on, always between the lower classes anyways. The rich don't fight the poor directly, that don't have to, they already all won.

So you have the middle class home owner that wants to rent a house and asks for 1,000 dollars a month rent from the poor low wage slob, so the fight is between the middle class home renter and the poor slob that has to give his entire paycheck to rent and so on.

It is set up so weak people fight between themselves, it is a fight between have and have nots, and now the middle class home owner may need that rent money because he is now unemployed and so on.

A constant struggle and fight, all against all, all fighting an imaginary resource scarcity war when there are no resource scarcities, only an old fashion idea of still having to work when work is no longer needed.

who cares about the rich ?


Re: Swiss vote on limiting top pay to 1200 times that of low

Postby nameta9 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:54 am
First off, I can't stand this moralistic stance, this "punish the rich" morality and idea, this idiotic envy based, " oh I am poor and I want the rich to make less money" crappy BS idea!

Totally wrong approach, totally wrong from every point of view, serves just to distract, confuse and fool the losers and poorer people: what they should enforce is a maximum amount of money the basics should cost compared to the minimum wage: this would really get something done, not the envy, "oh the rich boss makes so much" BS that serves to make people fight each other over totally insignificant things in the larger scheme of things.

So given a minimum wage of say 500 dollars worldwide, a rent for a decent home (3 bedroom + kitchen and well built and in a good area!) shall not be priced more than 100 dollars a month, health care should not be priced more than 50 dollars a month for all possible needs and so forth, really kick them all where it really hurts, in home prices, real estate prices, rents and health care prices, and so on, running water, electricity and transportation shall not be priced more than 50 dollars a month, a complete meal 3 times a day shall not be pirced more than 50 dollars a month and so on.

This would be much more important than the idiotic, stupid, envy based idea of limiting how much the bosses or rich make, what a bunch of crap! And in fact who proposes this wants to protect the status quo, wants to make the poor feel as if they are actually getting something in return when in all truth they are getting nothing, being fooled and all the basics cost way past their minimum salary worldwide and so forth.

What should be stated and believed in is very simple: the rich, the bosses, the capitalists, the corrupt, the lucky or whatever or who even cares! can make as much as they want, can make trillions (which they will continue to make anyways, there are millions of ways to gain that cash "not paid in salary" anyways, to hide it, to get money in stealth mode and so on) as long as the minimum wage allows the poor loser making it to rent a home and buy all the basics without running out of money.

How it stands today is that just a rent of a one room crap house costs more than 500 dollars a month worldwide, anywhere on earth, the minimum wage finishes the first day of the month when you pay rent, this is what is really a scandal and really important to stress, but people are all just to stupid to see this, they prefer being envious and fighting the rich making so much.

And then who cares, an economy and peoples should be free to pay whoever they want as much as they want, this is totally irrelevant, if person A feels that person B must be paid a billion dollars a year, who cares, who are you to poke your nose into it ? mind your own business!


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Thursday, November 28, 2013

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Re: Stone Chrome Video

Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:39 pm
CALLING ALL ARTISTS! CALLING ALL ARTISTS! Make those drawings, make them wild and incredible, make those diagrams and pictures and drawings of the internals of New Mind Systems and Brain Structures as incredible and fantastic as possible, use your imagination and fantasy as much as possible, make it run wild, the sky is the limit, you can do it man, just do it, don't be afraid to become a little baby again and have fun, imagine how incredible those new mind circuits can be, so many new symbols and diagrams and ideas, a never ending array of new ideas and you can imagine a never ending array of new Lives, Universes, Experience Sets and Universes with completely different and wild new laws and non laws of physics...

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Stone Chrome Video

Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:29 pm
Stone Chrome Video

So science has nothing new or better to offer anymore, we have exhausted this universe, this mode of being, we must now start designing new experiences from the inside out, from the crux of the Observing and Experiencing Contraption, the Brain System, new Mind Machines, New Information Machines processing Matter Interactions between themselves, talking to themselves and so forth.

So write that book with thousands of pages of extremely intricate circuit designs having so many cool new components, transistors having thousands of legs, hypertransistors with spiritual soul functions incorporated, so many new symbols and designs and patterns, so many new signals, intricate and incredible, mysterious, never ending schematics associated to incredible Mind and Universe Machines, generating new universes and experiences, very complex, and a design of on the page of the book means another design elsewhere and so forth forever, designs of designs, recursive designs of circuits, with so many incredible devices interacting, creating worlds and lives and experiences and so forth.



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We Are Black Holes ...

Postby nameta9 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:10 pm
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From:

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We are the way the universe overcomes the "Laws of Physics": we are the points of the universe where it relinquishes the Iron Fist Prison of the Laws of Physics, we are the singularities, the black holes, the volumes of Space and Time where these concepts and all other logical concepts are no longer valid. Our simple random choices and free will, what we do moment by moment follows no laws except random laws we decide to make exist at the moment for any or no reasons at all, we are actually the points where "Free Physics" can actually instantiate itself, we are where all kinds of random, quirky, illogical and senseless "cause and effects" can be invented for obscure, intractable personal reasons or models or ideas a civilization, the human race self programs itself to have and so forth.

I decided to write these symbols on this page: what logic could have ever predicted this, what equations, who could have guessed it ? and what other new sequence of symbols will be written where and for what reason any place in the universe ? and so forth and so on.

And so it is with all the actions and reactions, the interlocking interactions humans have between themselves, all the fights, thoughts, struggles, wars (who could have predicted, in that exact moment and place the explosion of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima if an alien race where looking at the planet from far away and noticing this effect ? how could they ever know why or how ? and so forth).

So if just one human, one Man Brain one person is a point of space time where physics is no longer valid thanks to that person's free will, then imagine hundreds or billions of people interacting, the laws of physics are no longer operating at all if only as a background, a stage upon which the real events which are all arbitrary and random and a fluke are taking place, and where all the real events, exactly because they pertain to humans and the effect they have on their pain/pleasure circuits, the only ones that really define reality occur.

So being that the "Economy" is based on these "elementary particles" which follow no Laws of Physics, nothing can really ever be said about it, it is totally unpredictable, outside of the sphere of science, any science.

But then again, the laws of physics break down as soon as you try to predict the motion of three interacting particles, the three body problem has no solution, so the universe and reality is essentially lawless, has no laws, only some vague laws that we use to format reality according to our mental models, so that we can use it to speak to ourselves essentially, it is all a game of dependent and independent parts, surprises, and control, logical segments flung upon the world, but imagine how many new logical segments can be flung upon all you see, all that exists, according to all kinds of paths and according to all kinds of observers, the tree is an observer and the logical segment is a car tire to interact with a sun and so forth.



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Re: We Are Black Holes ...

Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:07 pm
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Re: Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!

Postby wendy52 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:03 pm
nameta9 wrote:Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!

We are all just a moment away from Total Oblivion, just a heart beat away from disappearing forever and for good instantaneously - by stroke, heart attack, earthquake, sudden death, etc. So now what happens to our huge, elaborate, completely totalizing and saturating mental construction of the world ? ... of all the rules, logic, the memories, the entire structure of the universe we have created in our mind to navigate it, a complex incredible structure made up of rules, and thought paths, laws learned, patterns recognized, all of the repetitive patterns discovered and translated and formatted into laws of physics, laws of living and behavior, social conventions and so forth and so on constructed during a lifetime lasting decades ? ...

It all disappears in a jiffy, all the laws where worthless, you disappeared instantly anyways, the repetitive patterns we have so much faith in were useless, the logic and rules false, irrelevant, fake, made up, a bluff, a deception. And so it is with all of our memories and rules and the entire constructions of our mind, all of our memories are a liability as much as they are an asset in that they condition us into believing too much in them, the memories and knowledge condition us to falsify constantly and continuously reality, in order to make it abide and converge to our models and expectations, that we think are so solid and real and confirmed: nothing further from the truth, they are zero, nothing.

This is because a Mind Brain is simply a processor that adapts its neural networks and rules according to the inputs it receives and creates a complete set of laws, it completely self programs itself according to a program imposed by nature, reality and itself and so forth. But there is really nothing behind it:

Just because we are used to seeing things evolve and slowly develop, a story line makes us think reality is more than a simple instantaneous input, reaction, output, a point like event disconnected from all past, future present and space, a nothing that exists for a moment that tends to last zero, a sequence of zero time duration moments and pictures creating a fake story and so on.

But you can imagine a universe, a processor, a mind, a modified mind that is instantaneously programmed with all of the memories and a given life story and that mind thinks it existed for a long time when in all truth it was assigned instantly, and so it is with all reality, Matter self defines itself in a moment, creates an entire universe from zero and then makes itself think that it evolved and had a story line. And so forth and all of the combinations in between, a universe of constantly changing instantaneous Information Relationships reciprocally defining themselves and creating reality and then disappearing, every moment a new universe, a new big bang, watch out for the next moment, you may disappear.

And so all laws and logic are a never ending deception and illusion that works for just some time and then is useless and worthless for eternity and so forth. Of course all contradictions accepted and are operating as usual.


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Combustion = sound breaking
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The Universe = disappearance

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Sound = combustion
Combustion = self consuming
Self consuming = sound disappearing
Sound disappearing = disappearance = smaller and smaller as it disappears

Particle = on a journey into disappearance, not death, not organic

Human being = non particle we are not "self consumed" - we do not disappear, we die

Scientist = illogical idiot who never looked to see, tried to cause us to be consumed
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Re: Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!

Postby Silhouette » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:36 pm
This is just one of many well-established arguments against Modernism.

Objective and/or universal and/or eternal "truth" is nothing more than a consensus of subjective attempts to make sense of experience. Yes, it is subjective and not objective, yes it is individual and not universal, and yes it is changing/inconstant and not eternal.

It's just something that works, which is all science and logic have ever been good for, but it is all they need to be good for.

Existentialism has already covered this, and Post-Modernism has taken it to some philosophically important limits.

Modernist truth is no longer the question, except to naive and philosophically stunted minds. Truth is just an option, which many still take, and it has its uses. The fact that it's merely a subjective truth that it's subjective truth afterall just sounds like an objective truth to their subjective minds.
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Re: Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!

Postby Mowk » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:40 pm
All that has been debunked is self. :shrug: bravo
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Re: Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!

Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:06 pm
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Re: Government is not Economy

Postby nameta9 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:20 am
"notice how nobody even touches the issue of the national debt? That is because there is no intent to pay it back."

There is no "debt", only excess capacity, fee wealth, extra cash, extra money that the Technological Economy generates automatically: if it weren't so then the debt could have never been created in the first place, the debt really means excess cash that a few have and can loan it out to others and since the system generates so much extra cash automatically without any "work" to back it up, since it isn't work that must back it up, (by the way, "work" has absolutely nothing to do with how the economy really operates) since there is no longer any relationship of wealth to work since decades, since the wealth - money - extra cash is only a proxy of how much extra real wealth the system generates by using huge economies of scale, huge expenditure of energy, huge networks of transportation, electricity, communications, automation, technology and so forth.

It is all a wrong psychology game expecting the economies to grow and ever more work to be generated in order to pay back the debts, but the economies not only can't grow with this old "work for it" mentality, the technological economy does away with jobs as a side effect, and while it does away with jobs it keeps on increasing the real wealth of societies that are being concentrated ever more so in the same hands .

And in fact don't you notice that no one is asking for the money back anyways, this is because they don't really need the money, the money accumulated and then handed out to others in the form of debt was and is free cash and doesn't have to never be paid back since it makes no difference, it would be paid back mostly to super rich who could care less for that money, they don't need it and don't even know they have it, it is irrelevant for them, hence the debts can keep on increasing forever.

The psychological mistake and the hidden manipulating agenda all the economists and powers that be pratice is that to make you believe that the debt - wealth - money is real, can "run out", there is ony so much available, "you must work for it", "you must deserve it", someone is acting badly, someone is morally accountable and everyone loves this morality police, this blaming someone else on how bad they are and how much debt they generated on how they don't deserve it: but this just helps to confuse people, confuse their ideas, mix it all up with emotionality, blame, morality, "money will run out"; there is only so much and it will all run out, the resource scarcity myths and so forth: nothing further from the truth, we have loads of real wealth available, enough to give it all out for free to all, and the Technological Economy will keep on generating loads of more forever, the debts are just a joke on you and everyone else, to play morality, blame games and make you all fight each other in vain.

And in truth it is all a fight to redistribute an ever increasing stack of money differently, everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie, it is just a fighting game that has no need or necessity to exists, only a stone age mentality that can't come to grips with what the economy is now today under the powers of technology.

Free wealth and cash just doesn't seem to make sense to a civilization that has always lived dirt poor until technology kicked in: we are just in inertia mode, not knowing what the truth is, always believing in 18th century models that are now obsolete, none of it is operating anymore ("hard work", "deserve it", "things run out" and so forth, all false - obsolete concepts).



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Re: Government is not Economy

Postby creative » Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:24 am
The issue with government spending is, as we have learned over the past two decades, is that there are really no controls to stop unlimited spending thus bankrupting nations. We have already seen how governments have bankrupt Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland, Iceland, etc. The flow of money goes to the ultra-rich (the top 10%) while the burden of paying debts falls in the laps of those who have jobs or businesses and are forced to shoulder more or more of the debt burden.

For all intent and purposes, the U.S. and Europe is bankrupt but is kept afloat by the the Central banks who keep printing money (devaluing paper currency and savings) in order to pay for increasing debt. The net flow of money is to the top 1% who basically control the governments and create the laws that insure their ever increasing share of all wealth. The top 1% in the U.S. now own about 40% of the wealth which is the greatest concentration of wealth in history. Ironically, the greatest boon to the top 1% in the U.S. has been the exorbitant government spending which has been for the most part a boon for the ultra-wealthy who net the most.
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Re: Government is not Economy

Postby insightfoul » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:54 am
Exactly, there is no moral accountability in this democratically corrupted society.

So the morally corrupt essentially can bankrupt the nation, pull everything down with it, and then blame the opposing party when the time comes. Notice how nobody even touches the issue of the national debt? That is because there is no intent to pay it back. Because this national debt is a benefit for the government. What does the government care, if the whole population owes this pile of many? It's not the politicians who owe paying back the debt. It's the weakest members of society, the poor, the sick, the middle class, the workers. The debt will rain down on the have nots.

The middle class will be destroyed. And the government offers no salvation. Because the government compounds the underlying problem, which is, debt.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013

Information Relationships


Re: Explaining Electromagnetic Fields in Terms of Relativity

Postby nameta9 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:47 pm 

"What does this tell us about space? Our preconceptions about the notion of 'space' are wrong; there are no locations, only relations. What is space then? There is no grid of space, no coordinate plane; there is no real "distance" between things."

This was starting to get good, then you took the wrong road. this is the beginning of the concept of Information Relationship, this concept has been bugging me for quite a while, I can't decompose it into something smaller or clearer, no reductionism here operating: a relationship is exactly what ? an interaction ? a point like interaction with no space or time involved ? an event ? an elementary particle of the Principle of Non Contradiction and Identity ? a bit ? Information as such has no "size", no extension in space, it has no "time", it is essentially out of time, out of any reference, it needs two to dance, it self defines itself reciprocally with another bit of information, but then you need a processor, a mind, a large ensemble to decode the bit, the simple monolithic slab of pure Information Relationships and assign them, connect them to interactions, to events that may then extend in space and time, but reductionism in this case reduces the atoms of existence to pure nothings, having no space and time and only existing the moment an observer - processor beholds such entities.

Information Relationships cannot be decomposed into something clearer, it will forever be undefined, irreducible complexity, it cannot be made up of smaller pieces, it is either all or nothing, without space or time or size and in fact this is what makes it so powerful, just like mathematics and the imagination, you can invent worlds infinitely more incredible and complex of what is available using simple logic and simple space and time: the square root of a negative number, the square root of space or time, concepts that have no sense but can be created with information alone, and so forth and so on, if 0 is time and 1 is space what is 43 or -6ty ? yes you can force incredible inventions that tease logic, use some logic and then use their impossibility to be clear and defined..

And I can go on forever trying to understand "Information Relationships" the basic "Interaction", the basic "Event" of existence...





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Re: Government is not Economy

Postby nameta9 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:01 pm
"if you get rid of all the real jobs, real workers, and private businesses "

So you assume that there are enough possible exchanges for full occupation of everyone ? are there millions of real jobs - workers and private businesses that can exchange so many goods, enough so that everyone works for private entities ?

Not so, the governments must hire millions (and the military and many other entities) to compensate the fact that there can and will never be enough real jobs for so many people: and this can be done because the Technological Economy creates enough wealth to distribute a lot of it to people who do nothing.

Oh and by the way, the health care bloat is also a lot of fake jobs isn't it ? and the education and college bloat is also a lot of fake jobs isn't it ? and so forth, it never ends....

And give me an example of a real job which isn't in manufacturing building cars, or in construction building houses and a few others will you.

Don't put financial industry, they do nothing but fluff (and rip you off), don't put movies and cinema and entertainment that is also doing nothing only fluff for bored people at home watching TV and so on.

Moralistic you are though...

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Re: Government is not Economy

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Re: Government is not Economy

Postby nameta9 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:12 pm
Hey Das,your AVATAR... did you stick wild symbols, signals and chemicals in your brain style ? you are experimenting with your brain, did you crack open your cranium and shove a v8 engine in it and a jet engine for extra measure ? you are an Instant Singularity, how many new universes have you visited, what new wild emotional states and sense organs did you discover by changing all the neural circuits and so on ? how many microprocessors did you shove in your Man Brain that has now become a new processor, a slab of Matter interacting with another slab of Matter and defining all of a new universe and new Information Relationship Sets, etc... brainium abounds...did you make a huge trillion pages long incredibly intricate and complex diagram of a new brain with trillions of new symbols and connections and designs and signals and all kinds of things (trillions of times more wild and complex than those pictures of microprocessors you can find on the Internet) and implement it ? can you imagine what incredible experiences and states and so forth they can generate with a brain made like that ?

There are trillions upon trillions of new combinations you can try out by modifying all of the configurations of Matter in your cranium, go for it, just do it man, do it...



hey kris, are you sick in the head ? I want free handouts, I want free cash, I want other people's money, who cares about ethic and morality, I am a free entity who is greater than GOD.

We don't need further Economic Growth, we already have all the growth we will ever need, we need to distribute huge chunks of cash to all so that they can consume baby, consume, and buy like crazy, we need huge projects building trillions of rockets and skyscrapers and all things, trillions of cars, and so forth. There are 100 trillion dollars sitting in the banks worldwide not doing nothing, just being used as a weapon against the have nots in the form of inflated home prices and rents and so forth, nowe just steal that cash and give it all !

What is really hurting the economy is this stone age idea of "having to deserver it", "having to work hard for it" and so forth: nothing further from the truth, we need to give all the huge wealth a Technological Economy produces out to all for free instead of stifling the economy by an 18th century mentality that still doesn't see what we have become in the 21st century.

Of course our rich, developed economies will stagnate, the haves already have all they need (the home owners, old spoiled brats) and the have nots will never have anything, so it is this sick desire to punish the have nots with huge home prices and rents, cheap jobs paying little and so forth that is killing the economy and hurting all the poor, not the other way around.

In the meantime, the FED prints 80 billion dollars a month and simply hands it all out to the already super rich and their banks (or so they say so, can you believe it ? can you believe anything ? does it even make any sense ? does anything at all that is constantly being communicated by the news and Internet and books and all kinds of Information make any sense at all ? is any of it true ? what is even the meaning of true and so forth), what thugs, just this alone demonstrates how much free wealth is constantly being generated and should be given out to all for free, UNCONDITIONALLY.

Now go on, inside foul mouth, keep on blaming the poor and keep on sustaining an old fashion mentality destined to kill the world.


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Monday, November 11, 2013

Free Salaries = Save Nature!


Free Salaries = Save Nature!

Postby nameta9 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:47 am
Another disaster caused by "climate change" or CO2 increasing in the Philippines (if this is even true, can we ever really know ? the climate is such a complex intractable process all of our logic and models are probably worth nothing anyways, after all we can't even solve the three body problem so imagine solving the climate, but anyways...). So is China going to keep on buying 10 million cars a year ? is air traffic destined to continue ? is the world going to keep on producing and spewing CO2 by building real estate and TVs and smartphones and all else ? are people going to still have to "go to work" and use energy and burn CO2 and so forth ? Of course...

You can't render 10 billion people idle, you can't keep them at home watching TV so they don't have to go to work and use cars and pollute and so forth, so what gives ? You have to give them Free Salaries and Cheap Rents, and all the basics for free so they don't have to fight and work for it, give it all out for free so the economy doesn't have to keep on being such large scale activity and manipulation of nature and such.

Of course I don't see any green environmentalists asking or demanding for this to save Nature, since the greens and environmentalists are all wealthy, spoiled, well off "Nature Lovers" (just like the old hippies were all bored middle class kids with too much time on their hand playing around for an imaginary revolution) who don't care how much rents are and so forth (they want rents and homes to cost a lot that is why they are always against building homes and building in general, to preserve the value of their "real estate" with the excuse that they are doing it for Nature and not their own wallets). They want to keep their class status so they say everyone has to work and deserve it or maybe go back to the stone ages and agriculture with your bare hands and so forth. And they hugely hepled create the disaster of Nature going wild and climate going wild by not allowing Nuclear Energy and Atomic Energy to be dominant, the cleanest and most advanced energy should have been the number one energy source for decades, instead they created a terror psychology against all things nulcear, that is the cleanest, healthiest and best energy ever, go figure, so they got carbon energy burning to generate electricity and that created tons of CO2 and killed the climate once and for all and so on. Those few Nuclear accidents are nothing compared to the damage the non use of Nuclear will create, and those few accidents are so exaggerated, so blown out of proportion to make it look like Nuclear is the devil, maybe they are paid by the oil industry or carbon industry to make Nuclear look bad.

And instead of burning all trash in energy creating furnaces they want you to separate the trash in so many extra plastic bags and then talk bad about plastic bags: we could have used one bag for all and burn it but by their green religion force everyone to multiply the use of plastic bags creating ever more glut of plastic bags and so forth and so on.

Everything the greens Nature Lovers do is another extra damage to the environment, they never solved a problem only created ever worse ones, with their phony Nature Loving religion.

They should demand Free Salaries to all, Cheap Rents, enought with this "you have to deserve it" mentality, enough with this "work mentality"; the hard work idea of life, the Technological Economy is now rich enough to give everything to all for free.

AMEN..



SPiker tiker

Saturday, November 9, 2013

Spider Queen

[quote="Uccisore"]

Point being, handing out money to the poorest people doesn't do anything except set the prices of everything higher, because price is an expression of the fact that there's not enough of something to go around [i]no matter how much numerical money everyone has[/i]. 


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IN other words, I'd rather make 10,000 a year in a world in which cars and video games are dirt cheap because rich people have flying cars and robots, than make 50,000 a year in a a world in which that 50,000 guarentees me bread and water. The numbers really aren't important.[/quote]

But that is the point: there is way more than enough of everything to go around that everything should be dirt cheap: millions of empty homes worldwide, thousands of empty McMansions, etc. there is a glut of stuff, homes, and the potential to build enough for everyone (with millions of idle hands unemployed worldwide, you could build everything you can imagine for all 10 billion people in a year, bar none) : but the mentality, culture, the need to be unequal to another, the need to force another into need makes the prices of the BASIC needs sky high, as high as possible, just because, as an expression of power, as an expression of forced, make believe, arbitrary inequality just because, because people like to be unequal to others and the power that gives them so forth.

The case of sky high health care in the USA, sky high home prices in Southern Europe and so forth is a fake, make believe, arbitrarily assigned price that needs to be high in order for a richer class to make money off basic needs, there is no structural or objective reason for this, there is no resource scarcity or no "not enough for everyone" operating, just a forced situation: actually it is the other way around, there is a glut of homes in Spain, so much so that they now need to demolish thousands of buildings hoping to prop up the prices, how does that make sense according to the Standard Economic Theory that always wants to make you believe that there are real objective measures and reasons for economies that do bad and "do not grow", when in all truth it is all BS excuses.

In fact the economies are doing bad because they cannot employ and build everything for everyone, the real potential is there just stifled, put on hold waiting for the prices to go up or some mechanism to create a profit to pop up again, aka higher prices and so forth.

But a Technological Economy has a deep problem: it can easily build and saturate all markets with all goods (thousands of empty homes in Spain, and don't even get me started with China, a glut of buildings beyond anything ever seen on earth!) can create a huge amount of work for a few years and then there is nothing left to do anymore since it has all been built and achieved (a billion cars can easily be built if wanted and so forth), hence it generates way too much wealth way too easily to know how to mange this new situation, hence it is in crisis mode constantly, always not knowing what to do, total chaos and instability, the Technological Economy flies in the face with all of the stone age, 18th century "hard work" mentality all the BS economists talk about, infrastructure means nothing, can be built by the ton loads as had been done in JAPAN, yet JAPAN has been stagnant for 20 years, or so they say, I don't believe in anything anymore since JAPAN seems to be way richer then so many other countries that seemed to have always "grown".

Even a simple old fashion 1970s or 1980s equilibrium where prices where at least in line with salaries would go a long way to "solve the crisis" (even though these social - political -cultural problems will never be solved as Man is Problem by definition).

Spider Queen

Friday, November 8, 2013

Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!

Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!






Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!

Postby nameta9 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:04 pm
Science, Logic Finally DEBUNKED!

We are all just a moment away from Total Oblivion, just a heart beat away from disappearing forever and for good instantaneously - by stroke, heart attack, earthquake, sudden death, etc. So now what happens to our huge, elaborate, completely totalizing and saturating mental construction of the world ? ... of all the rules, logic, the memories, the entire structure of the universe we have created in our mind to navigate it, a complex incredible structure made up of rules, and thought paths, laws learned, patterns recognized, all of the repetitive patterns discovered and translated and formatted into laws of physics, laws of living and behavior, social conventions and so forth and so on constructed during a lifetime lasting decades ? ...

It all disappears in a jiffy, all the laws where worthless, you disappeared instantly anyways, the repetitive patterns we have so much faith in were useless, the logic and rules false, irrelevant, fake, made up, a bluff, a deception. And so it is with all of our memories and rules and the entire constructions of our mind, all of our memories are a liability as much as they are an asset in that they condition us into believing too much in them, the memories and knowledge condition us to falsify constantly and continuously reality, in order to make it abide and converge to our models and expectations, that we think are so solid and real and confirmed: nothing further from the truth, they are zero, nothing.

This is because a Mind Brain is simply a processor that adapts its neural networks and rules according to the inputs it receives and creates a complete set of laws, it completely self programs itself according to a program imposed by nature, reality and itself and so forth. But there is really nothing behind it:

Just because we are used to seeing things evolve and slowly develop, a story line makes us think reality is more than a simple instantaneous input, reaction, output, a point like event disconnected from all past, future present and space, a nothing that exists for a moment that tends to last zero, a sequence of zero time duration moments and pictures creating a fake story and so on.

But you can imagine a universe, a processor, a mind, a modified mind that is instantaneously programmed with all of the memories and a given life story and that mind thinks it existed for a long time when in all truth it was assigned instantly, and so it is with all reality, Matter self defines itself in a moment, creates an entire universe from zero and then makes itself think that it evolved and had a story line. And so forth and all of the combinations in between, a universe of constantly changing instantaneous Information Relationships reciprocally defining themselves and creating reality and then disappearing, every moment a new universe, a new big bang, watch out for the next moment, you may disappear.

And so all laws and logic are a never ending deception and illusion that works for just some time and then is useless and worthless for eternity and so forth. Of course all contradictions accepted and are operating as usual.


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